Early Belmont Stakes thoughts

[dougie]

Grandstand Handicapper.....I agree with you. I do think that both of them will be running in the Belmont Stakes. If they do, it will be great for racing.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I am not a t-bred guy. But I hear all day long about "key" races, horses, whatever. IDK if that holds true or not. But I can see it.

Too bad the race isn't at Belmont and at a mile and a half.

[Scooteroo]

I always feel when a horse is making a wide move like Journalism was in the Derby, the horse following him actually has the better trip because he's kind of drafting off the other horse. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened had the trips been reversed.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

While it makes sense, I always found it ironic that generically speaking, between harness and t-breds, "first over" vs. "stalking" is kind of like "worst and "ideal" so to speak. 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Do the t-breds really "draft" or get cover so to speak? Totally different racing obviously. I always heard that with the t-breds, generally, the jockey and most often the horse don't want to be directly behind the horse in front of them, and would rather be just outside them in the clear so to speak.

[Scooteroo]

I always felt the horse following the one making the 3 wide move first is at an advantage because he's being carried into the race by the other horse who has probably used up more energy making that move, so the one following is the fresher horse. Is it drafting, not really, but I'd rather be the one following than making the move first. This also applies to harness racing.

[Scooteroo]

While it makes sense, I always found it ironic that generically speaking, between harness and t-breds, "first over" vs. "stalking" is kind of like "worst and "ideal" so to speak.

What I hate in T-Breds is when the horse I cold punched for 2nd is pressing the pace of the odds-on favorite instead of sitting 2nd and waiting for the stretch to move. Most times it winds up costing them second. Except for the top jockeys my opinion of most jockeys is they're not too bright. Why get in a speed duel with a longshot and burn your horse up yet it happens all the time.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Speed duel, yes, obviously. I was speaking to a normal pace. I get it though. Like I said, totally different racing, and horses.

[Scooteroo]

Speed duel, yes, obviously. I was speaking to a normal pace. I get it though. Like I said, totally different racing, and horses.

 

Another thing that stupid jockeys do particularly in a sprint. If their horse breaks poorly they rush up to press the pace in the fastest quarter of the race using up all their energy before fading. They would be alot smarter to be patient and try to close in the final 1/4 mile, which is the slowest quarter of the race in sprints.

[Pacer 2]

Sovereignty deserves to be a big favorite....

[Pacer 2]

 

Another thing that stupid jockeys do particularly in a sprint. If their horse breaks poorly they rush up to press the pace in the fastest quarter of the race using up all their energy before fading. They would be alot smarter to be patient and try to close in the final 1/4 mile, which is the slowest quarter of the race in sprints.

   
Maybe you should ride?   

[kantseeback]

Do the t-breds really "draft" or get cover so to speak? Totally different racing obviously. I always heard that with the t-breds, generally, the jockey and most often the horse don't want to be directly behind the horse in front of them, and would rather be just outside them in the clear so to speak.

I have heard jockeys comment that tbreds don't like kickback in their face, so the jockeys try to avoid being directly behind another horse.

[Papillon]

Sovereignty deserves to be a big favorite....

he wont even be the favorite-let alone a big one

[Bitter Truth]

He will be when Journalism sits out.

[Pacer 2]

he wont even be the favorite-let alone a big one

 

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