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Kirby's Ace

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Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« on: August 21, 2024, 07:24:33 PM »
Trying to figure what's the upside of not making race programs available for free on a track's website? 75% or better now involve online betters why not cater to their needs? I'm sure theirs a reason I just cant find it.

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2024, 07:34:24 PM »
Trying to figure what's the upside of not making race programs available for free on a track's website? 75% or better now involve online betters why not cater to their needs? I'm sure theirs a reason I just cant find it.
It is not free for the track. The USTA charges the track if they post PP's. The USTA claims that they own the information. I remember years ago, Pompano would post their PP's and the USTA stopped them unless they paid the piper.

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2024, 09:39:56 PM »
regardless it seems penny wise and pound foolish
i assume free programs would encourage more betting
there are many examples of harness racing shooting itself in the foot

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2024, 10:00:35 PM »
regardless it seems penny wise and pound foolish
i assume free programs would encourage more betting
there are many examples of harness racing shooting itself in the foot

FYI,
 
cloverleafsoa.org
Cloverleaf Standardbred Owners' Association Inc [Rosecroft Raceway/Ocean Downs

Plainridge Park has them on their website.

I'm pretty sure it is a track by track too.

The same is true for the horsemen's associations.

You just have to search it out.



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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2024, 10:15:56 PM »
FYI,
 
cloverleafsoa.org
Cloverleaf Standardbred Owners' Association Inc [Rosecroft Raceway/Ocean Downs

Plainridge Park has them on their website.

I'm pretty sure it is a track by track too.

The same is true for the horsemen's associations.

You just have to search it out.

And how would a better know that if there's no link posted on Ocean Downs website?

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2024, 10:28:06 PM »
And how would a better know that if there's no link posted on Ocean Downs website?

The average bettor won't know!

I found out because I checked it out and am in the business.

Sorry, Ocean Downs and Rosecroft Raceway have this on their respective websites!

FYI, there are industry links on the Rosecroft Raceway website!




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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2024, 10:58:32 PM »
I found it! Buried on the Cloverleaf link!
Thank you.

Now only problem is it has not been updated since 8/15. So, no pages for tonight and tomorrow.
But that's Cloverleaf doing things half azz!

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2024, 11:18:31 PM »
I found it! Buried on the Cloverleaf link!
Thank you.

Now only problem is it has not been updated since 8/15. So, no pages for tonight and tomorrow.
But that's Cloverleaf doing things half azz!

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This is old but it shows how pathetic the USTA is about giving away its PP's. They always have their hand out.

https://harnessracingupdate.com/2017/02/24/lines-time-make-electronic-past-performances-free/

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2024, 11:42:31 PM »
all canadian tracks have free programs

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2024, 11:47:27 PM »
Trying to figure what's the upside of not making race programs available for free on a track's website? 75% or better now involve online betters why not cater to their needs? I'm sure theirs a reason I just cant find it.

The USTA needs the revenue:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/314370196/202323189349310682/full

Scroll to page 9 about 2/3 down the page.

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2024, 12:38:38 AM »
When GARY SEIDEL said one saturday that he was a member of the USTA I WENT INTO SHOCK as how can someone who is as dumb as that be head of anything,,,,,,He seems like he is a ok guy but he turned his show into a joke and he promoted the game like dont bet more than 6 dollars to a win 4 and be happy getting back 10 and do you think he knows that people will bet if they get a free program,,,,,,,, I really believe that he thinks everyone who plays knows that they will lose and the game is a game of total luck and i think guys like him believe the BURKE type trainers are hay and oats,,,,,, THE USTA IS one place i made around 20 calls to over the years and always came away in shock,,,,,,,

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2024, 07:05:06 AM »
Saratoga harness has theirs online.

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2024, 07:42:13 AM »
The USTA needs the revenue:

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/314370196/202323189349310682/full

Scroll to page 9 about 2/3 down the page.

The salaries of the top people at the USTA are out of line for a nonprofit of their size and there benefit are also higher than they should be.

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2024, 04:55:35 PM »
The CEO of Woodbine makes over 750k a year.
Also not for profit lol.

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Re: Why would a track not offer free programs online?
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2024, 05:35:43 PM »
The CEO of Woodbine makes over 750k a year.
Also not for profit lol.

Can you post the source of this information. I don't know where to look for information about nonprofits in Canada.

WEG is much larger that the USTA. Salaries of top executives usually relate to size. The CEO of a $10 million nonprofit would be expected to be around $150,000.

 

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