I used to go to the harness tracks 5x a week and bet pretty good

[captaintreacherous]

now......I find it almost impossible to win..

The CAW wagering really has hurt the Tbreds and Harness
bettors alike.

Who can bet when the odds drop to 1/5 at the 1/2 Mile Pole.
With sports at least I can get Fixed odds.
I used to make a few good scores every so often...
but now ...no chance...
I guess I forgot how to handicap.
I am not sure what these tracks will do to stay in business..
Gural puts on a good show....he is the leader from what I see.

[pocketrocketwinner]

Gural pioneered the inclusion of CAW

His broadcast proudly congratulated Elite Turf Club taking down pools.

You cant be anti CAW and want Gural as the "leader" are the same time

[Harness racer]

Gural pioneered the inclusion of CAW

His broadcast proudly congratulated Elite Turf Club taking down pools.

You cant be anti CAW and want Gural as the "leader" are the same time

i completely agree people hate CAW but love Gural.  He has welcomed them with open arms.  One of the dumbest things Otten ever said (I think it was her), when she congratulated them for taking down a pool.  Clueless!

[captaintreacherous]

I thought it was the Stronach Group that advanced the CAW?

[Checked Up]

Now it's tough to find a track that races 5 days a week 😕

[jupiter]

I remember the days of 6 night a week racing. Doubleheaders 4th of July. Betting at Goshen. OTB Classic, Silk Stockings. It's never going to rescue it.

[dougie]

I remember the days of 6 night a week racing. Doubleheaders 4th of July. Betting at Goshen. OTB Classic, Silk Stockings. It's never going to rescue it.

I was at the "Mighty M" when Silk Stockings went 157.3 in the first Monticello OTB Classic. Place was packed as the "Silkster" and Preston Burris Jr. won the big race. I'll never forget it. Great times!

[The Doctor]

Now it's tough to find a track that races 5 days a week 😕

Southern Ohio

[rainman2]

Southern Ohio

Yonkers and about 20 less races than Ohio too!

[captaintreacherous]

No Roosevelt, Freehold, Liberty Bell, but

kentucky Racing?


Gimme a break....

Have u seen these drivers at these kentucky Tracks???

No wonder no one goes to the harness tracks anymore

[Pacer 2]

No Roosevelt, Freehold, Liberty Bell, but

 .

Have u seen these drivers at these kentucky Tracks???

 

        Maybe you could do better? 

[Lance]

I remember the days of 6 night a week racing. Doubleheaders 4th of July. Betting at Goshen. OTB Classic, Silk Stockings. It's never going to rescue it.

I remember going to the track 4 nights a week, double headers most of those nights. Those were the days.

[Kenny]

now......I find it almost impossible to win..

The CAW wagering really has hurt the Tbreds and Harness
bettors alike.

Who can bet when the odds drop to 1/5 at the 1/2 Mile Pole.
With sports at least I can get Fixed odds.
I used to make a few good scores every so often...
but now ...no chance...
I guess I forgot how to handicap.
I am not sure what these tracks will do to stay in business..
Gural puts on a good show....he is the leader from what I see.

There is a simple solution to this that is EASY to implement.  Wagering ends at post time...period. The car does not move until wagering is closed. This patter also eliminates the need for post time drag. It will never happen because the tracks want the dollars represented by "late money".

[Lockedin with Pace]

In the heyday at Meadowlands with 3 million dollar handles, 15,000 people in attendance the races always started on time. Settlemoir tried it for a short time earlier in the year and handle tanked so he weaseled out of it. He didn't give it enough time.
The bettors always adjust and if they know the races are starting on time, they'll adjust accordingly, and after a short time handle won't be affected much.