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Re: USTA DAMAGE CONTROL
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2025, 09:39:36 AM »
We are on the same page, Yonkers1 and Kenny. I have no problem with the government funding an initiative to correct or otherwise improve an industry. But, I have no desire to continue to support an industry that not only fails to improve its position but goes backwards with every dollar that it thrown at. Taxpayer dollars.
 In New Jersey, they experimented with purse subsidies. And to a degree, there were signs of life and improvement with the first seeding.
 Then Gural and company want an enhanced deal and a longer commitment to receiving the hand out.  So, the Governor makes a deal for $30 million for 5 years but, there must be increases in what everyone agrees is leading benchmark of success, the handle.  So, Gural needs to improve the handle. He does everything in convectional conventional marketing strategies yet, results are negligible.
 With nothing left in his arsenal, Gural resorts to a poison pill, computer animated wagering and generous rebates, based on volume.
 Bottom line , the handle hits the mark and the Governor signs the 5 year deal.
 I must say, the breeding industry has really stepped up it's game.  They have done a great job with their program.
 But, Gural, in usual fashion claimed he is tiered of pulling money out of his pockets to fund the racing program. He cuts stake races and tells us without additional gaming, The New Meadowlands will not make it more than a couple years.

 In my opinion, the current political climate of cut waste and spending gaining traction every day, may be the one dagger racing could not overcome.

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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2025, 10:16:19 AM »
We are on the same page, Yonkers1 and Kenny. I have no problem with the government funding an initiative to correct or otherwise improve an industry. But, I have no desire to continue to support an industry that not only fails to improve its position but goes backwards with every dollar that it thrown at. Taxpayer dollars.
 In New Jersey, they experimented with purse subsidies. And to a degree, there were signs of life and improvement with the first seeding.
 Then Gural and company want an enhanced deal and a longer commitment to receiving the hand out.  So, the Governor makes a deal for $30 million for 5 years but, there must be increases in what everyone agrees is leading benchmark of success, the handle.  So, Gural needs to improve the handle. He does everything in convectional conventional marketing strategies yet, results are negligible.
 With nothing left in his arsenal, Gural resorts to a poison pill, computer animated wagering and generous rebates, based on volume.
 Bottom line , the handle hits the mark and the Governor signs the 5 year deal.
 I must say, the breeding industry has really stepped up it's game.  They have done a great job with their program.
 But, Gural, in usual fashion claimed he is tiered of pulling money out of his pockets to fund the racing program. He cuts stake races and tells us without additional gaming, The New Meadowlands will not make it more than a couple years.

 In my opinion, the current political climate of cut waste and spending gaining traction every day, may be the one dagger racing could not overcome.

The breeding industry is the biggest villain. Fans identify with stars. In harness racing the top stars race as few races as possible at a very limited number of tracks and then are off to a breeding farm never to be seen again. This pattern kills fan interest. Ultimately it is the handouts that fuel this behavior.

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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2025, 10:20:08 AM »
That is all horse racing. A top TB usually averages about 10 starts lifetime

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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2025, 10:29:37 AM »
they wanna talk about how lasix is therapeutic (oh look we are trying to help them).  do horses get lasix in the wild? among other things that get put into there systems?
do you think these animals want to do what they are doing?  maybe some.
take away the casino money now where are you at? non-functional and bankrupt.
No horses don’t get Lasix in the wild. When the suffer from EIPH they die and get eaten by predators.

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« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2025, 10:29:53 AM »
That is all horse racing. A top TB usually averages about 10 starts lifetime

Standardbreds are racing less and less, retiring earlier and earlier, and race at less and less tracks. Confederate is a prime example.

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« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2025, 11:08:07 AM »
No horses don’t get Lasix in the wild. When the suffer from EIPH they die and get eaten by predators.
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THATS GODS PLAN.  STICKING NEEDLES IN HORSES IS NOT.  IM OK WITH LASIX. ITS THE OTHER THINGS THEY ARE INJECTED WITH. AND DONT SAY IT DOESNT HAPPEN CAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT DOES.

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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2025, 11:24:10 AM »
I agree that no one should ever be allowed to dope a horse for performance purposes (or a person) but it happens to both. The problem I have is these idiots that call using a very beneficial therapeutic medication doping.

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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2025, 11:29:17 AM »
Standardbreds are racing less and less, retiring earlier and earlier, and race at less and less tracks. Confederate is a prime example.
Confederate raced 22 times in his career. 15 starts at 3, which equals approximately 3 starts a month during stake season. In the other hand Mage the 2023 Derby winner raced 7 times in his whole career

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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2025, 11:52:58 AM »
Confederate raced 22 times in his career. 15 starts at 3, which equals approximately 3 starts a month during stake season. In the other hand Mage the 2023 Derby winner raced 7 times in his whole career

True true. What about that freak of nature Flightline. After breaking his maiden, and an allowance win-----he raced what, 4 times over two racing seasons? Then retired undefeated at 4. But they said he was sound! LOL.

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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2025, 01:50:17 PM »
Confederate raced 22 times in his career. 15 starts at 3, which equals approximately 3 starts a month during stake season. In the other hand Mage the 2023 Derby winner raced 7 times in his whole career

In case you don't know this, Standardbreds and Thoroughbreds are not the same. If you want to keep thinking that way, you are only helping the decline of the sport of harness racing. People Identify with stars and harness racing sends there stars to breeding farms instead of the race track where the fans are.

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« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2025, 01:51:19 PM »
True true. What about that freak of nature Flightline. After breaking his maiden, and an allowance win-----he raced what, 4 times over two racing seasons? Then retired undefeated at 4. But they said he was sound! LOL.

Foiled again raced 331 times.

FOILED AGAIN   331
MCWICKED   110
GALLO BLUE CHIP   133
BEE A MAGICIAN   72
MISTER BIG   85
WIGGLE IT JIGGLEIT   66
WON THE WEST   109
MARKET SHARE   100
ETERNAL CAMNATION   101
MAGICIAN   111
ARCH MADNESS   119
ANNDROVETTE   144
ATLANTA   78
SWEET LOU   74
MR MUSCLEMAN   67
BOULDER CREEK   173
MARION MARAUDER   69
VIVID PHOTO   178
MUSCLE HILL   21
NIHILATOR   38
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« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2025, 02:27:21 PM »
dear kenny
taxpayer money , please there is no such thing, once the government collects that money no  citizen has any say on its use
would you have supported "your"  tax money being sent to Ukraine
of all the problems in the country harness racing would be pretty far down on the list

and if no harness racing what would all the grooms, trainers truckers etc do , there is not enough carnivals to employ all these people

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« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2025, 02:29:26 PM »
sounds like their problem. flip burgers.

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« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2025, 05:30:21 PM »
dear kenny
taxpayer money , please there is no such thing, once the government collects that money no  citizen has any say on its use
would you have supported "your"  tax money being sent to Ukraine
of all the problems in the country harness racing would be pretty far down on the list

and if no harness racing what would all the grooms, trainers truckers etc do , there is not enough carnivals to employ all these people

In PA, it is a TAX on slots play. And yes we do have some say, that is how Trump was elected.  If a politician think they have a better chance of getting elected by supporting diverting these funds to some other purpose that is how they will vote.

As far as jobs go, if the funds are diverted from racing to roads, bridges, and schools, that will create jobs in those areas.

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« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2025, 06:05:19 PM »
In PA, it is a TAX on slots play. And yes we do have some say, that is how Trump was elected.  If a politician think they have a better chance of getting elected by supporting diverting these funds to some other purpose that is how they will vote.

As far as jobs go, if the funds are diverted from racing to roads, bridges, and schools, that will create jobs in those areas.
So you think the money would be better spent if sent to a 3rd world nation that the politicians are rich and people are poor would be a better idea than supporting local agriculture and green spaces?

 

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