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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2024, 02:53:55 PM »
Looks too me like the top drivers and trainers do just fine in Ohio all winter. But maybe that is because the drivers there suck too. Lol
HANDLE WAY BETTER IN OHIO AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. HOOSIER LOCATION IS BAD AND THE DRIVERS THERE ARE JUST MINOR LEAGUERS. IF THEY EVER GET BETTER DRIVERS THEY WOULD FOR SURE DO BETTER.  WHO WANTS TO BET ON DON EASH AND JOHN DELONG?
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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2024, 09:51:11 PM »
 Another track that can't seem to show pic3 payoffs. Weak.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2024, 09:52:59 PM »
Look st the drivers colony and that pretty much should tell you all you need to know. Cal expo has better drivers.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2024, 10:13:45 PM »
HANDLE WAY BETTER IN OHIO AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. HOOSIER LOCATION IS BAD AND THE DRIVERS THERE ARE JUST MINOR LEAGUERS. IF THEY EVER GET BETTER DRIVERS THEY WOULD FOR SURE DO BETTER.  WHO WANTS TO BET ON DON EASH AND JOHN DELONG?

I believe Hoosier outhandles 3 of the 4 OHIO tracks.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2024, 10:43:00 PM »
I believe Hoosier outhandles 3 of the 4 OHIO tracks.
That’s not true. Just watch next Wednesday and Thursday.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2024, 10:50:58 PM »
Tyler Smith taking advantage of Miami being dark Fri + Sat and racing at Hoosier. Driven there in past years.
 Doing well. Having the Cullipher account is a nice start. tmbz1

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2024, 12:57:53 AM »
Has the Hoosier handle gone down because Rick Plano has apparently given up driving his horses?

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2024, 08:49:48 AM »
What’s holding them back starts with Rick Moore and ends with his protected sidekick Scott Penis. With the clowns running the show it’ll never change. Zero innovation or desire to do better, complete joke. Used to get by because they had some good people around them, but they’ve slowly run them off. Sad to see, barely worth watching anymore and the long stretch with the passing with the current group of drivers is an awful betting product.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2024, 11:35:40 AM »
I've always said smart/educated and big bettors want and need certain things --- full and competitive fields, large pools to bet into, and ideally, a low takeout! LOL. Now, on one hand, you have plenty of hard-core betters and if you drop a quarter, those bettors as a group, will bet on heads or tails, LOL. On the other hand, for some, perhaps many, there's more to it.

Look at the Meadowlands now. My home track. I've been betting it since the day it opened. Today, you have full fields, large pools, and some may say competitive fields, but IMO it is a piss-poor product with a poor drivers colony as a whole. The Meadowlands was famous throughout the entire sport and industry for it's late closers and attracted horses from all over North America. It's still "hard" racing and it still takes a toll on horses. I can see why top trainers want to educate their young and green horses elsewhere. The betting product? Please. I don't want to see 40% plus winning favorites, coupled with trainers who shoot 10% and drivers who don't shoot much better. Far too unreliable on these variables. I am looking to bet against the favorite, so I want to find a reliable "this is a beaten favorite" horse based upon my knowledge, handicapping, what I see on the track, etc. With all this in the mix, poor product, poor driving colony as a whole, poor competitive aspects, and so on. I am strongly, very strongly, considering shifting my betting focus to Ontario exclusively. The only problem I have is that I am not onsite regularly.

Back in the 80's and 90's, did John Campbell, Billy O'Donnell, etc. "take the winter off" and go to FL? Did they drive elsewhere in the winter? Throw into the mix, no more winter racing at Pompano. The Meadowlands better start acting and behaving like they want to return to be the mecca of harness racing or else they are going to lose their opportunity.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2024, 11:41:52 AM »
I am not so sure this driving colony is holding back the handle. Look at what goes on at Monticello Raceway. They get a strong handle every day they race. Yet about 90% of the time the horse leading after the first quarter wins the race. Sure most of these horses are the favorites but talk about a boring product with near 48% of the favorites winning. The horses racing in the Catskills are pretty awful and can’t usually compete even at Saratoga Raceway. But betting fans keep pouring their money into this track. I don’t get it. At least at Hoosier you will see lead changes and some horses winning from mid pack or even the back. Favorites have been winning at only a 33% so far in 2024. You rarely see this at Monticello or Yonkers for that matter.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2024, 04:08:49 PM »
I am not so sure this driving colony is holding back the handle. Look at what goes on at Monticello Raceway. They get a strong handle every day they race. Yet about 90% of the time the horse leading after the first quarter wins the race. Sure most of these horses are the favorites but talk about a boring product with near 48% of the favorites winning. The horses racing in the Catskills are pretty awful and can’t usually compete even at Saratoga Raceway. But betting fans keep pouring their money into this track. I don’t get it. At least at Hoosier you will see lead changes and some horses winning from mid pack or even the back. Favorites have been winning at only a 33% so far in 2024. You rarely see this at Monticello or Yonkers for that matter.

Maybe the Monticello drivers should go and drive at other tracks. Tougher to win with cheaper horses. 
A more truer test could be shipping the good drivers to Monticello and see if they can drive less horsepower.   
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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2024, 05:38:09 PM »
I believe that Hoosier once had a reputation for not allowing the hokey POKEY that goes on most everywhere else,but the problems that have come to light portray just the opposite opinion now! If people are getting popped with banned substances and items on the ground there is a great big problem somewhere other than the trainers. The problem is one of 2 possibilities, ass kissing or envelope gifting! A blown reputation is impossible to reobtain once it's gone!

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2024, 06:39:28 PM »
Hoosier was doing well tell the got rid of Tim Schimdt. Now it is not much different than the Ohio tracks or Illinois. More than likely cut their testing budget once they sent him packing.

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2024, 07:14:45 PM »
Hoosier was doing well tell the got rid of Tim Schimdt. Now it is not much different than the Ohio tracks or Illinois. More than likely cut their testing budget once they sent him packing.

IHRC determines testing, obviously that has zero to do with whoever the judges are.  tmbz1

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Re: Hoosier handle - what is holding them back?
« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2024, 08:01:15 PM »
Handle will get better when
Stakes and  two yr olds start racing
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