Stockade Seelster - OOOOOOPS - You got Caught!

[remington]

lappe has horses racing at Vernon.

[wisha roder]

Realistically it was probably vitamins or electrolytes. He got scratched will get a small fine and it will be over with

Agreed.  We don't know how much of this story is true and if it happened we don't know what was added. 

[Fuguzzi]

Agreed.  We don't know how much of this story is true and if it happened we don't know what was added.

Well something happened. The horse was indeed scratched an hour before his race

[Dingus]

lappe has horses racing at Vernon.

I don’t know how that’s possible.  She has no address listed in the USTA Pathway, her membership expired 6/23, and she hasn’t started a horse as a trainer since 6/25/22.

[Fuguzzi]

I don’t know how that’s possible.  She has no address listed in the USTA Pathway, her membership expired 6/23, and she hasn’t started a horse as a trainer since 6/25/22.

Couldn't stand her or Kokinos. Don't know where he got a Vet's license. Had a trotting mare I owned but didn't train. Hard trying mare worth around 10k. monticello. Anyway, trainer decided he wanted to do some work on her hind ankles. He was the trainer at this point, not me. I had no objections and didn't want to interfere. Dr. Saxe wasn't available that day so we went with Kokinos. I stood there gritting my teeth watching him work. I swear he couldn't even scrub her down with betadine the right way. The worst.

[Mailbox Money]

If he did something wrong then he deserves a penalty.

I find it hard to believe he would administer something illegal in from of others. There are stupid people out there but I don't think he is one of them.

The horse was scratched TRV, Trainers Responsibility Violation. He has to be assessed a penalty for necessitating a scratch imo. It also wouldn't surprise me if this turned into one of those "Hey,what ever came of that " cases like they sometimes do.

[Stan durbread]

Yep just like the yogurt situation

[Open bridle]

The horse was scratched TRV, Trainers Responsibility Violation. He has to be assessed a penalty for necessitating a scratch imo. It also wouldn't surprise me if this turned into one of those "Hey,what ever came of that " cases like they sometimes do.

The Jug I think is treated just like an other county fair race in Ohio except for the retention area. Having been on the Ohio county fair circuits many times I know a lot of drugging goes on.  I have been under the impression they don't test the winners after the race like they do at the parimutuel tracks.

[The Exporter]

I don’t know how that’s possible.  She has no address listed in the USTA Pathway, her membership expired 6/23, and she hasn’t started a horse as a trainer since 6/25/22.

I have seen here listed as owner about 2 weeks ago, at VD.

[Foalin at 4]

I don’t know how that’s possible.  She has no address listed in the USTA Pathway, her membership expired 6/23, and she hasn’t started a horse as a trainer since 6/25/22.

                Super Betcha race 7, 9/23/23 Vernon Downs, also Lappe, Kokinos own Doc KW race 8, 9/23/23 at Vernon Downs. Both horses won Artie Dick trains and drives. 

[Fuguzzi]

                Super Betcha race 7, 9/23/23 Vernon Downs, also Lappe, Kokinos own Doc KW race 8, 9/23/23 at Vernon Downs. Both horses won Artie Dick trains and drives.

Yeah and Kokinos in charge of needles.

[Dingus]

                Super Betcha race 7, 9/23/23 Vernon Downs, also Lappe, Kokinos own Doc KW race 8, 9/23/23 at Vernon Downs. Both horses won Artie Dick trains and drives.

Thanks for the info.  I guess there’s a reason she’s not training anymore or has a USTA license.

[TimTimTimbo]

https://harnesslink.com/usa/why-stockade-seelster-was-scratched-from-the-jug/

“It is our understanding that the rules and regulations were violated according to the Judges.” Dragone said. “Yes, Dr. Ian Moore was the trainer of record for Stockade Seelster. I can also tell you that despite the rumors, no contraband was found.”

He's not that stupid to administer something in that setting. No one with a brain would be

[Stan durbread]

https://harnesslink.com/usa/why-stockade-seelster-was-scratched-from-the-jug/

“It is our understanding that the rules and regulations were violated according to the Judges.” Dragone said. “Yes, Dr. Ian Moore was the trainer of record for Stockade Seelster. I can also tell you that despite the rumors, no contraband was found.”

He's not that stupid to administer something in that setting. No one with a brain would be

As I said before it was probably electrolytes. With the 72 hour detention the horse probably wasn’t drinking that well. With 2 heats starting out a little dehydrated is not going to go well

[Chips N Salsa]

As I said before it was probably electrolytes. With the 72 hour detention the horse probably wasn’t drinking that well. With 2 heats starting out a little dehydrated is not going to go well

  Do you work in politics?  You obviously don't know shit about horses and dehydration.  Feeding some electrolytes that close to a race wouldn't do squat.  If it were that bad you scratch.  A Dr. would have jugged him up day before making sure he was adequately hydrated.  Horses don't get dehydrated that fast especially when they are not on lasix!  He was obviously giving him something to affect his performance plain and simple.  He needs to get a min of 1 yr. suspension and they need to lock the horses up and now allow transfers unless approved!