Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance

[Yonkers1A]

Exactly-the Lawsuit has me intrigued because Howard is suing Gural for defamation for using the term EPO-seems to fail the smell test. Why?  In professional horse racing, owners are not hands-off corporate executives; they are deeply invested in the daily health, regimen, and costs of their stock.
BB3 wasn't a standard joint supplement or a routine vitamin bottle you buy at a local tack shop. It was a highly expensive, custom-compounded designer peptide.The evidence produced by FBI showed that BB3 and EPO are a distinction without a difference when it comes to cheating and horse welfare
For an owner to receive invoices from multiple different training operations, all featuring billing from Dr. Seth Fishman’s obscure Florida laboratory, and simply click "pay" without ever asking, "Who is this vet and why are we buying so much from him?" stretches the boundaries of credibility.
When multiple horses across multiple different barns suddenly start dropping their times and winning purses at a highly unusual rate, an experienced owner knows exactly what is happening. As racing officials noted during the Fishman trials, professionals know the physical limits of a horse; sudden spikes in performance don't happen naturally.
The defamation gamble could open a can of worms ! By claiming Gural ruined his reputation by calling him a doper, Howard has forced a federal judge to look directly at this absurd "I just paid the bills" excuse. When Gural’s lawyers present a jury with the sheer statistical impossibility of multiple different trainers independently using the exact same underground doping ring funded by the exact same checkbook, Howards "curveball" legal technicalities are highly likely to fall apart under ordinary human logic.

There really is no other logical explanation

[simplify]

Hes 100% correct. If you think otherwise, you are either dumb, or have never given a horse to a trainer!!!! Owners just pay the bills!!!

Huh? You are the idiot. Owned horses for many years. Pretty easy to read pathway, arci etc.

[Cashout]

    This is really getting redundant . Do you people really think it’s an accident that of all the owners whose trainers used Fishman’s products these racing commissions came after Howard Taylor.  Without having the exact numbers I would say conservatively there are at least another 100 owners who had trainers who used Fishman. If you denied licensing to all of these owners there wouldn’t be any harness racing. So why Howard ?   A. The powers that be never liked Howard representing trainers that they don’t like.     B.  There’s a very good chance that Jeff Gural used his influence to sabotage Howard Taylor with the racing commissions  C. The  powers that be also didn’t like some of the trainers that Howard used.  D. I definitely believe alot of SCM’s postings hurt Howard and I also believe that SCM was working for and financed by Jeff Gural

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I don't know the details of any suit between Gural and Taylor, but I will say this. I think Gural banned Taylor and that's where it ends. I say Taylor can't win that case. Now it grows, morphs into something else, etc. and maybe Taylor is grasping at straws. I don't know.

Anyway, Taylor may be a good lawyer, maybe a great lawyer. I don't know. But I do know one thing.....unlike the NJRC, the NJSEA, and all of Gural's predecessors, Gural is not going to use some second-rate, Triple A, or sub-par law firm. You are talking about a major league, nationally presence, major business owner here. With massive and vast experience. He doesn't use attorney's who have neon lights in the window that say "Se Habla Espanol" if you know what I mean, LOL. Taylor may be a great litigator, again, I don't know. Taylor might be used to being the biggest dog in several yards he's been in before. But he may end up in a yard and facing a dog that he's never seen the likes of before. If the two end up in court, I don't even care what each sides argument/position is.....I would bet on Gural, LOL.

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I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.

Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.

I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.

I think I agree with that. That’s a pretty accurate statement.

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I don't think HT is that stupid

it has nothing to do with stupidity

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I think you mean “rational”, unless it’s a Freudian slip on your part.

yes thank you

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I don't know that any case Taylor is involved with will come down to his position or defense being the fact that he was a passive, not-directly-involved, hands-off kind of owner. It's a foolish claim. For many reasons. Especially if he received illegal products and distributed them to his trainers, and I am not saying he did that, because I don't know that for a fact; and I am certainly not going to believe some claims made here on a BB. Yes, I believe he bought the products and paid for them. I just don't know if he received and distributed them. Doesn't matter. I still think the sport and industry is better off without him.

[Sweet]

I don't know that any case Taylor is involved with will come down to his position or defense being the fact that he was a passive, not-directly-involved, hands-off kind of owner. It's a foolish claim. For many reasons. Especially if he received illegal products and distributed them to his trainers, and I am not saying he did that, because I don't know that for a fact; and I am certainly not going to believe some claims made here on a BB. Yes, I believe he bought the products and paid for them. I just don't know if he received and distributed them. Doesn't matter. I still think the sport and industry is better off without him.

You're the god damn reporter.

Go get some information.

This incessant speculation and what ifs.

Sounds like you're on the correct side of morality on this issue, but facts, when are they forthcoming.

Mike brings facts, you're connected, act smart, go get some.

[Justwatchingtheraces]

If the USTA or any of these states had any back bone they would go through the invoices and do something to the trainers/owners that were customers. We all know that is not going to happen and this industry will continue to loose public interest every year. Like or hate Mike he is doing something that takes a lot of guts. This stuff is evidence from the FBI not hear say from the barns. Every honest trainer should be throwing a fit that these people are still racing given the invoices of buying illegal drugs.

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

If the USTA or any of these states had any back bone they would go through the invoices and do something to the trainers/owners that were customers. We all know that is not going to happen and this industry will continue to loose public interest every year. Like or hate Mike he is doing something that takes a lot of guts. This stuff is evidence from the FBI not hear say from the barns. Every honest trainer should be throwing a fit that these people are still racing given the invoices of buying illegal drugs.

Basically, the people who need to be gone that would give the honest guys a chance are the same people who govern and police the industry. And that's that.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

If the USTA or any of these states had any back bone they would go through the invoices and do something to the trainers/owners that were customers. We all know that is not going to happen and this industry will continue to loose public interest every year. Like or hate Mike he is doing something that takes a lot of guts. This stuff is evidence from the FBI not hear say from the barns. Every honest trainer should be throwing a fit that these people are still racing given the invoices of buying illegal drugs.

Absolutely! NYRA did it once, to some extent, and got Dutrow's financial records and cell phone bills and proved that he was "training" while on suspension. This should be the standard. One one hand, I think Gural has done what others haven't, but on the other hand, I was disappointed he caved on the Engblom suspension. Zero tolerance has to be absolute. No, not always black and white, but absolute. As far as the Mike stuff, to each their own to believe what they choose.

[bond]

Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.

As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent.  The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.

As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent.  The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.

Yes it should be across the board and unbiased. But it isn't. And again that's because the people in power who govern and police are part of the problem. They also compete. And they are also documented in the same files entered into evidence by the FBI. See the real problem? Why do you think I'm blackballed having never had a day or penny suspension or fine? I'm a liability to them. Everyone else is scared and with good reason.

[pocketrocketwinner]

Its true and factual-that many of the horses that Howard Taylor owned -trainers of his were using the PEDs from Fishman-notably HOF Ron Burke--BB3-listed on horses he trained-even listed which PED each horses was getting-so if you banish one trainer for using these PEDs -then it should be across the board-remember-no one in USA is above the Law.

As far as Engblom-i believe he was innocent.  The three substances detected in Mon Amour were Oxycodone (a powerful prescription opioid painkiller), Carisoprodol (a prescription muscle relaxant), and Meprobamate (the metabolic byproduct of Carisoprodol).These are common Human prescription drugs-even a human taking these touching a horse can produce these low levels in this day and age--and to top it off the levels were so low a forensic scientist-testified it had no effect on the outcome-4.9pcg.These levels were so low that in PA even HISA threw them out because they are environmental contamination. However NJ wanted a scalp-so Engblom was the scapegoat. Gural heard all the evidence and agreed with the testimony of experts-so he gave Engblom a pass.

You think gural gives a pass if the trainer in question only has a couple horses? Engblom fills the entry box with his large stable. This helps handle. This is a conflict of interest. Gural should not be the judge and jury. Losing engblom entries would cost gural revenue