Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance

[Kirby's Ace]

Taylor played a Schutlz.."I know nothing" 

I just payed the bills!

[G]

Taylor played a Schutlz.."I know nothing" 

I just payed the bills!

and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

[Mazola]

and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

I don't think HT is that stupid

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

I don't think HT is that stupid

Fishman’s “trusted clients” statement appeared in a January 5, 2019 email from Seth Fishman to Lisa Giannelli listing products offered by Equestology. The relevant entry stated:

“BB3 . . . would only let trusted clients have this.”

The email was admitted as Government Exhibit 309 (GX 309) in the federal prosecution, United States v. Lisa Giannelli, S6 20 Cr. 160 (MKV), Southern District of New York.

During Fishman’s trial on January 25, 2022, federal prosecutor Sarah Mortazavi had FDA veterinary medical officer Dr. Jean Bowman read that entry to the jury.

The strongest primary-document reference is the government’s September 1, 2022 sentencing submission for Giannelli:

United States v. Lisa Giannelli
Case No. 1:20-cr-00160-MKV
ECF Document 919
Page 2
Citation: GX 309

That government filing quotes GX 309 directly and also cites GX 319J, in which Fishman reportedly advised Giannelli to “stay low key” regarding BB3.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256354/fishman-the-question-is-is-it-testable-doping
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/22-1600/22-1600-2025-09-22.html

[Kirby's Ace]

and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.

Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.

I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.

[Ignorance Is Bliss]

I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.

Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.

I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.

He was billed directly from Equestology to his law office in Philly.
Can't fail to mention multiple accounts....

[Grandstand Handicapper]

There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.

[G]

There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.

THANK YOU! It's refreshing to see somebody that knows what they're talking about,,  see this is what the posting should be all about a irrational discussion.

[Dingus]

THANK YOU! It's refreshing to see somebody that knows what they're talking about,,  see this is what the posting should be all about a irrational discussion.

I think you mean “rational”, unless it’s a Freudian slip on your part.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Between having about 6 or 8 people on ignore, and only posting on actual harness racing topics.....I just don't feed the BS wolf. LOL.

[simplify]

and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

you legit may be the dumbest guy on here...and that's even with Mensa midgets like Lucparc

[ScrapeThePaint]

you legit may be the dumbest guy on here...and that's even with Mensa midgets like Lucparc

Hes 100% correct. If you think otherwise, you are either dumb, or have never given a horse to a trainer!!!! Owners just pay the bills!!!

[Mazola]

Hes 100% correct. If you think otherwise, you are either dumb, or have never given a horse to a trainer!!!! Owners just pay the bills!!!

Yes they pay the bills from the trainer not the drug supplier.

[seen2much]

you legit may be the dumbest guy on here...and that's even with Mensa midgets like Lucparc

The daily stupid contest is between the paintbrush, lunch man, and Loser 2.

[bond]

There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.

Exactly-the Lawsuit has me intrigued because Howard is suing Gural for defamation for using the term EPO-seems to fail the smell test. Why?  In professional horse racing, owners are not hands-off corporate executives; they are deeply invested in the daily health, regimen, and costs of their stock.
BB3 wasn't a standard joint supplement or a routine vitamin bottle you buy at a local tack shop. It was a highly expensive, custom-compounded designer peptide.The evidence produced by FBI showed that BB3 and EPO are a distinction without a difference when it comes to cheating and horse welfare
For an owner to receive invoices from multiple different training operations, all featuring billing from Dr. Seth Fishman’s obscure Florida laboratory, and simply click "pay" without ever asking, "Who is this vet and why are we buying so much from him?" stretches the boundaries of credibility.
When multiple horses across multiple different barns suddenly start dropping their times and winning purses at a highly unusual rate, an experienced owner knows exactly what is happening. As racing officials noted during the Fishman trials, professionals know the physical limits of a horse; sudden spikes in performance don't happen naturally.
The defamation gamble could open a can of worms ! By claiming Gural ruined his reputation by calling him a doper, Howard has forced a federal judge to look directly at this absurd "I just paid the bills" excuse. When Gural’s lawyers present a jury with the sheer statistical impossibility of multiple different trainers independently using the exact same underground doping ring funded by the exact same checkbook, Howards "curveball" legal technicalities are highly likely to fall apart under ordinary human logic.