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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2026, 10:50:12 PM »
Taylor played a Schutlz.."I know nothing"  73cv.2

I just payed the bills!

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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #31 on: Today at 09:53:24 AM »
Taylor played a Schutlz.."I know nothing"  73cv.2

I just payed the bills!
and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

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« Reply #32 on: Today at 10:10:41 AM »
and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

I don't think HT is that stupid
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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #33 on: Today at 10:20:25 AM »
I don't think HT is that stupid

Fishman’s “trusted clients” statement appeared in a January 5, 2019 email from Seth Fishman to Lisa Giannelli listing products offered by Equestology. The relevant entry stated:

“BB3 . . . would only let trusted clients have this.”

The email was admitted as Government Exhibit 309 (GX 309) in the federal prosecution, United States v. Lisa Giannelli, S6 20 Cr. 160 (MKV), Southern District of New York.

During Fishman’s trial on January 25, 2022, federal prosecutor Sarah Mortazavi had FDA veterinary medical officer Dr. Jean Bowman read that entry to the jury.

The strongest primary-document reference is the government’s September 1, 2022 sentencing submission for Giannelli:

United States v. Lisa Giannelli
Case No. 1:20-cr-00160-MKV
ECF Document 919
Page 2
Citation: GX 309

That government filing quotes GX 309 directly and also cites GX 319J, in which Fishman reportedly advised Giannelli to “stay low key” regarding BB3.
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/256354/fishman-the-question-is-is-it-testable-doping
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca2/22-1600/22-1600-2025-09-22.html
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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #34 on: Today at 10:27:17 AM »
and he is 1000% correct! Most owners have no idea what trainers are doing they just pay the bills.

I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.

Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.

I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.

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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #35 on: Today at 10:33:45 AM »
I would say that's about true (70%) but most owners don't get billed directly from the source and not question what they're buying.

Might be different if trainer just added it to the bill for training.

I never had my owners pay directly for anything. (except maybe a vet bill) But never for a pre-race or any medications I were using.

He was billed directly from Equestology to his law office in Philly.
Can't fail to mention multiple accounts.... tmbz1

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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #36 on: Today at 11:09:49 AM »
There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.

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« Reply #37 on: Today at 11:32:40 AM »
There were plenty of "big" owners names on those lists. Respectable, legitimate people, businessowners, etc. I've made my opinion on Taylor very clear from day one. I think the sport and business is better off without him. Period. However, pick any owner on that list, big or small, and I still want to know-----what they ordered and who it was shipped to. Even after that, there may still be questions. But to me that's the starting point. I've paid plenty of equine bills in my day and on a rare occasion, I have paid bills directly to vendors. Vets, chiropractors, and vendors like that. I remember twice it was for equipment, which was shipped to the trainer's barn. However, I never once received or had possession of anything I paid for.
THANK YOU! It's refreshing to see somebody that knows what they're talking about,,  see this is what the posting should be all about a irrational discussion.

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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #38 on: Today at 12:00:57 PM »
THANK YOU! It's refreshing to see somebody that knows what they're talking about,,  see this is what the posting should be all about a irrational discussion.

I think you mean “rational”, unless it’s a Freudian slip on your part.

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Re: Howard Taylor Equine advocacy alliance
« Reply #39 on: Today at 12:14:24 PM »
Between having about 6 or 8 people on ignore, and only posting on actual harness racing topics.....I just don't feed the BS wolf. LOL.

 

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