the people cryin about the handle

[andrew]

arent putting anything into the handle. other than luc, & trig who here really wagers to help the handle.

piggie yes,, bello. i admit i dont come close to what i once wagered in a night,, but i dont bitch about it

ante up boys,,, WAGER NOW

think i said this last month but here it is once again,, bitch about it,, dont hel it

js   

[Kirby's Ace]

And you know Trigg helps the handle how at the Meadowlands?

20 cent supers! 

[Onthefront11]

Bet more money, bet Ohio great product. 

[Kirby's Cousin]

And you know Trigg helps the handle how at the Meadowlands?


Trigger is running low on dimes, thankfully Meadowlands has 10 cent superfectas.

20 cent supers! 

[Bitter Truth]

Over saturation. Too many tracks, not enough people betting on harness horses.

[andrew]

too many tracks. solid point.

and i believe the 'not enough people betting' has to do with the older generation on the way out and the younger generation have better priorities. sports betting/casinos/etc

too much going on in the world today other than follow harness racing.

so,, guess it doesnt matter,, handles will never be like once upon a time

therefore,, stop cryin about it

JS 

[simplify]

I think for the most part the 'cryin' about the handle is due to the sport being welfare vs. betting...but both matter.

[Kenny]

Over saturation. Too many tracks, not enough people betting on harness horses.

The industry has ruined the sport and turned its back on the customer. The only solution is to end the handouts.

[andrew]

I think for the most part the 'cryin' about the handle is due to the sport being welfare vs. betting...but both matter.

so handle wont work,, yet welfare peeps bitch about

mights well just turn out the lights

then no more 'cryin', move on to sumethin else

i have a friend that trains for himself. only has 3 horses. if he gets 2 wins a year its a good year. this is at saratoga. he buys cheap, sells cheaper. he got a 3rd place check last week. so without the welfare he has no chance of continuing. yet i read kenny saying 'the only solution is to end the handouts'. for the huge operations i can understand. but the little guy would be gone. need the little guy to fill cards and races. and after all i just said, handle/welfare can only go so far. close the doors

[ECU Pirate]

The industry has ruined the sport and turned its back on the customer. The only solution is to end the handouts.

You love to complain about “handouts”, but don’t the casinos owe the tracks something for allowing the casino to exist where it does? Which came first, the track or the casino? Always the track. Without the tracks, all of these casinos would not exist.

[Bitter Truth]

Sure BUT like doing a favor for someone,no matter how great,
it shouldn't call for perpetual, indefinite gratitude, or in this case liability,

[pocketrocketwinner]

You love to complain about “handouts”, but don’t the casinos owe the tracks something for allowing the casino to exist where it does? Which came first, the track or the casino? Always the track. Without the tracks, all of these casinos would not exist.

There are currently standalone casinos (no racetrack required) in OH, NY and PA.
None currently in KY whixh makes it the only viable state for racings future.
The racing model is at a big disadvantage in the states that allow stand alones.

[gurals casino]

You love to complain about “handouts”, but don’t the casinos owe the tracks something for allowing the casino to exist where it does? Which came first, the track or the casino? Always the track. Without the tracks, all of these casinos would not exist.

no

[captaintreacherous]

Takeout has to be 8-10%. No more


Cant wager @ 20-28% Rake.....


Have you seen what used to be 4-5 shots...

Now 1-5 or 1-9 after the race starts...


Chasing the bettors away in droves....


 HARNESS Gamblers are going to Texas......



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