CAW Article

[Kenny]

   If there's betting after the start its a very rare malfunction of the tote system.  But conspiracy theorists and haters believe the nonsense.

As someone who has worked around IT and finance my whole like, I am skeptical bets are placed after the race starts. What is happening is the final pools are not updated instantly. If large dollar amounts of bets are being placed after the race starts it is major fraud and would be easy for an IT auditor to find. Either there would be bets with timestamps after the races started or there would be code which which changes the timestamp and that code would only called for certain bets.

Since there are a number of people on Horseplop who are sure this is happening, I suggest they start reporting this to the FBI and the state attorney general of any state which has a track involved.

[Any1Left]

you seem to be under the impression that the pools close when the race starts

that's ok Saw--i have heard it all for 15 years about how honest all of this is

Kenny on BReeders cup day many moons ago tickets were printed after the first three legs and i have never read anything about the im sorry or we have made changes and as far as i am concerned when a huge favorite breaks early and the groups destroy every pool its betting after the race and the biggest advantage play there is as the people who cashed on the legit loose 90 percent of their payoff and windows were not shut down at certain times and ive seen the race go official and that should be jail time for the people involved,    Who has not taken advantage of a horse breaking before the start and racetracks that had rules that no refunds occured and when payoffs came back to 10 percent of a real payoff many in the crowd feel a boat race has just happened and people are driven away

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As someone who has worked around IT and finance my whole like, I am skeptical bets are placed after the race starts. What is happening is the final pools are not updated instantly. If large dollar amounts of bets are being placed after the race starts it is major fraud and would be easy for an IT auditor to find. Either there would be bets with timestamps after the races started or there would be code which which changes the timestamp and that code would only called for certain bets.

Since there are a number of people on Horseplop who are sure this is happening, I suggest they start reporting this to the FBI and the state attorney general of any state which has a track involved.

     

[Kenny]

Kenny on BReeders cup day many moons ago tickets were printed after the first three legs and i have never read anything about the im sorry or we have made changes and as far as i am concerned when a huge favorite breaks early and the groups destroy every pool its betting after the race and the biggest advantage play there is as the people who cashed on the legit loose 90 percent of their payoff and windows were not shut down at certain times and ive seen the race go official and that should be jail time for the people involved,    Who has not taken advantage of a horse breaking before the start and racetracks that had rules that no refunds occured and when payoffs came back to 10 percent of a real payoff many in the crowd feel a boat race has just happened and people are driven away

Can you go back to school and come back when you can write in readable English?

[Kenny]

Kenny on BReeders cup day many moons ago tickets were printed after the first three legs and i have never read anything about the im sorry or we have made changes and as far as i am concerned when a huge favorite breaks early and the groups destroy every pool its betting after the race and the biggest advantage play there is as the people who cashed on the legit loose 90 percent of their payoff and windows were not shut down at certain times and ive seen the race go official and that should be jail time for the people involved,    Who has not taken advantage of a horse breaking before the start and racetracks that had rules that no refunds occured and when payoffs came back to 10 percent of a real payoff many in the crowd feel a boat race has just happened and people are driven away

This is 2025 not many moons ago. Everything done on any platform is timestamped and all devices are synced to the same time. That means there would have to be wagers with a timestamp after the start of the race or code that changed the timestamp for only certain bets. That is major fraud. If all you would report your thoughts to authorities, a low level auditor could find these things easily.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

https://www.drf.com/news/impact-caw-play-back-spotlight-lawsuit-social-media-banter

[Grandstand Handicapper]

https://paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/potential-to-devastate-an-entire-industry-stronach-group-responds-to-caw-lawsuit

The potential to devastate an entire industry...claim gives posturing and deflection entirely new meanings.

[pocketrocketwinner]

If this gets to a trial, we are going find out the identity of the human(s) who owns/ benefit from the caw account (elite) that accounts for huge late odds movements at meadowlands harness.

That caw's dentity in it of itself could cause some devastation.

My guess- it never gets that far. The defendants will not allow that info to ever be made public.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

https://www.hbsslaw.com/sites/default/files/case-downloads/horse-betting-manipulation-class-action/2025-10-24-complaint.pdf

Has anyone read the entire complaint. I guess the betting after the bell hasn't come up yet.

[Stan durbread]

Kenny on BReeders cup day many moons ago tickets were printed after the first three legs and i have never read anything about the im sorry or we have made changes and as far as i am concerned when a huge favorite breaks early and the groups destroy every pool its betting after the race and the biggest advantage play there is as the people who cashed on the legit loose 90 percent of their payoff and windows were not shut down at certain times and ive seen the race go official and that should be jail time for the people involved,    Who has not taken advantage of a horse breaking before the start and racetracks that had rules that no refunds occured and when payoffs came back to 10 percent of a real payoff many in the crowd feel a boat race has just happened and people are driven away

Even though Autotote officials characterized the scheme as the actions of a "rogue software engineer",[1] the National Thoroughbred Racing Association took swift action in the face of a growing outcry once the nature of the scam emerged. It required all tote companies to modify their software to transmit betting information immediately after the bet has closed. It also pressured its member tracks into not doing business with parlors that didn't have the ability to record wagers taken over the phone.[14][15]
The scheme was profiled on the Canadian television series Masterminds.

[Stan durbread]

Where this lawsuit will get tricky is: if I like the #2 to win and I wait till last possible second to bet. On computer,at machine or live teller I will have an effect on the odds. So according to this lawsuit I’m cheating the other players. It is parimutuel wagering, you never know the exact odds till wagering stops. If you can’t deal with that you might want to try fixed odds

[pocketrocketwinner]

Where this lawsuit will get tricky is: if I like the #2 to win and I wait till last possible second to bet. On computer,at machine or live teller I will have an effect on the odds. So according to this lawsuit I’m cheating the other players. It is parimutuel wagering, you never know the exact odds till wagering stops. If you can’t deal with that you might want to try fixed odds

No. The lawsuit about the CAWs can enter more than 6 bets at once. You or I cant do that. We can enter one at a time. And, the CAWs get last call. They can see the final pools, after all our money is in and make their batch bets based on final pools ( except their own bets).

[Any1Left]

Where this lawsuit will get tricky is: if I like the #2 to win and I wait till last possible second to bet. On computer,at machine or live teller I will have an effect on the odds. So according to this lawsuit I’m cheating the other players. It is parimutuel wagering, you never know the exact odds till wagering stops. If you can’t deal with that you might want to try fixed odds

  In England all the winning players are having a rough time as their betting limit in many cases on fixed odds is 1 dollar as they can not cut you off bet can limit your bets and many of these gamblers will use family or friends to place a wager and that does not last long,     A few years ago they allowed poggies that is slots in the betting  shops and now that is the main concern with WILLIAM HILL and every other betting site,   One this biggest owners of these betting sites is the one of the owners with COOLMORE STUD and the horse are trained by AIDEN O BRIAN

[Stan durbread]

No. The lawsuit about the CAWs can enter more than 6 bets at once. You or I cant do that. We can enter one at a time. And, the CAWs get last call. They can see the final pools, after all our money is in and make their batch bets based on final pools ( except their own bets).

A handful of computers and the right software you can make all the bets you want at last second. When a CAW makes a wager at last second they effect their odds just as much as yours. I personally like CAW money in the pools. It doesn’t take into account the appearance of the horse on the track. (See Louprint odds). I didn’t use Burkes other horse but I was going for nice payday if he raced like he warmed up

[Any1Left]

The big beautiful bill will put an end to ELITE TURF club on january 1,       The 10 percent tax will kill all forms of gambling and on poker blogs many of the high limit young guns have said that this is their last two months if changes are not made,   if you win 3 million and loose 3 million you will have to pay 300k on your winning and the math is simple for tourney poker or high limit slot players or horse players.