Is harness racing thriving?

[Yonkers1A]

Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds had a year that had baseball buzzing and then we found out that this miracle year was tainted with steroids and today no one talks about the amazing battle because it was not real.      On a GRAND CIRCUIT day of racing when BURKE wins 5 and ALEXANDER wins 1 and Pelling wins 3 with 6 track records and 6 small prices who with a brain walks away and feels proud of the game.        Around 5 years ago i spoke to a ex trainer from MONTREAL and he told me that he stood outside the casino everyday protesting the closure of Blue Bonnets freezing his nuts off and he thought life was over as that is all he knew and he also told me he owed everyone money and was always broke and 5 years later he realized that the closing was a miracle for him as he could now go on a vacation and enjoy life and no one he knew from the protest lines had really suffered,      Bottom line is owners getting destroyed big time and i was told many years earlier that the pictures were worth the loss of money but that can not be true as very very few take a picture these days.       Gamblers Getting destroyed as who can beat a high vig with 1-2 shots winning at a rate like never before and last who enjoys the show of soft racing that happens 10 times a day.

I think just Pacer0 likes soft racing. maybe 1 or 2 others and of course the CAW's love it

[Any1Left]

I love it when the same people justify wrongs by comparing them to other wrongs instead of saying its wrong,             Is  something wrong with a system when LOU PENA tested clean 99 percent of the time during a 2 year period that he won everything or Rene Allard testing clean 99 percent or Lance Armstrong testing clean 99 percent of the time and i can go on and on,      How insulting is it to have KENTUCKY tracks that do no handle have the biggest purses in NORTH AMERICA with no interest in the product but all the chemist get all the money.    Kenny has it all dead on when talking about the game,         If you speak to most DRUG DEALERS they will tell you that the guy who overdosed would have bought drugs from someone else and it would be the same result a death it reminds me how many horseman think as they and judges and management think it ok for a very lame 10 claimer to go 1.50 mile and then pull a HOUDINI disappearing trick to never appear again.

[Kenny]

     an ALL TIME record season at Hoosier

So Hoosier is the only track? You make some of the dumbest arguments I have ever seen.

[Kenny]

The question should be how long will the government keep giving money to a business that continues to lose money ?

AND has very little support from the voters who want infrastructure repaired and schools improved. Put it to a referendum in each state. Ask the slots players what should be done with the money.

[Racetime]

Only one vote away from losing government funding in most States I believe

[Kenny]

A business? Meaning a specific business? Or, an industry?

Good question. Perhaps. So, how long will the government "keep giving money to".....

Agriculture companies
Energy companies
Housing/Development companies
Tech companies
Aviation/Airline companies
Railroad companies
Defense contractor companies
Various manufacturing companies

Point being, one, it's not such a simple, linear discussion. Two, "subsidies" is a very generic term. There are many different contexts and meaning.

It is easy, just put it to a referendum and let the voters decide.

Harness racing in PA gets more money than most of the items you listed put together. Most of the items you listed are things THE PEOPLE WANT. 

Why can't racing support itself like other sports and entertainment?

[Kenny]

Only one vote away from losing government funding in most States I believe

The former governor in PA was trying. It is only a matter of time when the current governor needs the money to buy votes and he would sign.

[Any1Left]

Hoosier and the RED MILE were the best racetracks for years as you could win from last in most races and today Hoosier is a shit hole as the new people running it have destroyed it with making it a speed highway,    The Meadowlands in its prime was the ultimate fair track where it was start to finish excitement and the answer is simple to fixing the sport as you need to do everything you can to make movement on a track like banking the track or staggering the gate and change the surface back to the way it was when the big M was the king of the sport.

[Pacer 2]

It is easy, just put it to a referendum and let the voters decide.

Harness racing in PA gets more money than most of the items you listed put together. Most of the items you listed are things THE PEOPLE WANT. 

Why can't racing support itself like other sports and entertainment?

   I guess you never heard of Government grants which subsidize and support thousands of useless people.   

[NOTHING BUT TRUTHS]

   Funny you dont complain about pro athletes making $100 MILLION for playing a game for 6 months a year!   Some of them cant read either!

difference is these teams and owners are self sustaining. they don't rely on another industry to fund them.  do they?

[Pacer 2]

Despite some negative Nancy's this sport is thriving! Crowds at the Fryberg Fair and the Little Brown Jug were huge as well and prices for yearlings and purse earnings are very high! Drivers and trainers and horses are clearly making more than ever!   

[simplify]

"All time record at Hoosier". Again with the times and records. Who the FUCK cares if it is an all time record. Is it profitable without WELFARE? How stupid are some of you people?

Learn ROI.....not that difficult. purse vs handles less takeout. Let me know a decoupled track that would be profitable without welfare based on that.

[NOTHING BUT TRUTHS]

Despite some negative Nancy's this sport is thriving! Crowds at the Fryberg Fair and the Little Brown Jug were huge as well and prices for yearlings and purse earnings are very high! Drivers and trainers and horses are clearly making more than ever!   

you are delusional. its such a small percentage of people making it big and crushing and making money hand over fist.   does it happen? sure, there are some. it's not the norm.  when you have very few trainers and drivers taking the most out of the purses you have other who can't survive.
so let the cheating pigs race against each other. see how long it lasts. cause that's where its heading.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

It is easy, just put it to a referendum and let the voters decide.

Harness racing in PA gets more money than most of the items you listed put together. Most of the items you listed are things THE PEOPLE WANT. 

Why can't racing support itself like other sports and entertainment?

That's funny. Couldn't be further from the truth, but funny. Boeing, Amazon, and Intel.....just those three received over $40 billion in government subsidies from 2020 to 2024. Walt Disney got almost $3 billion. Berkshire Hathaway almost $2 billion. I guess we should expect the purses to be much higher in PA.

[Pacer 2]

That's funny. Couldn't be further from the truth, but funny. Boeing, Amazon, and Intel.....just those three received over $40 billion in government subsidies from 2020 to 2024. Walt Disney got almost $3 billion. Berkshire Hathaway almost $2 billion. I guess we should expect the purses to be much higher in PA.

        Yes. But the peanut gallery has nothing to say about that!