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Kenny

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2025, 08:25:29 AM »
Nothing but jealousy and haters. Burke has earned the success he is experiencing.

Without Burke that race does not even eliminations or they would have been 5 horse races with all but one making the final. Burke is a symptom of the real problem which is the government handouts. Burke has just had the business sense to expand and make money anywhere he can.

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2025, 09:04:31 AM »
I have said for many years his monopoly in harness racing wouldn't be allowed in any other industry. He has destroyed the incentive of the small ownerships of the sport. If he can't breed them or buy them at the sale he will buy out the fastest 2 yr. old horse small time owner like this year. He is not satisfied unless he has the biggest piece of the pie in the Ohio Sire Stakes each year. There is no jealousy involved. Just my observation after many years of small time ownership. When you allow the Costcos and Walmarts to compete unfairly with the little guy you know who will get drove out of business every time.

You throw around EMOTIONS instead of facts. Burke is no where close to a monopoly. In 2024 he won a little over 4.5% of the purses. That is not a monopoly. Åke Svanstedt has half the field in some trotting races.

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2025, 09:20:28 AM »
     You have to truly applaud Burke for what he has accomplished. To be able to manage so many stables that he has across the country is truly amazing. BUT, he is hurting the sport. The small outfits can't compete with the numbers he has. He goes to states and dominates.  More and more of the Locals are disapearing. To have 5 horses in the Adios final hits the nail right on the head. No other trainer can do this. In the sport's heyday. You never saw this happen. 
     He also has a huge advantage with so many horses  to fit them in a perfect class weekly at different tracks. It's an amazing operation, but when is enough, enough. He is obviously financially set for life.  I have no idea how many horses he has, but it has to be in the hundreds.
You must be young and wasn't actually around for the heyday. Multiple entries were common in big races in the 60's thru the 80's. In fact, Billy Haughton had five horses in the Meadowlands Pace that he won with Nihilator. A race I may add that was the biggest the sport had to offer.

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2025, 09:45:06 AM »
Without Burke that race does not even eliminations or they would have been 5 horse races with all but one making the final. Burke is a symptom of the real problem which is the government handouts. Burke has just had the business sense to expand and make money anywhere he can.

I would add that although he has 5 horses that made the final, by far the best two horses in the final, Twisted Destiny and Prince Hal Hanover, are trained by other connections.

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2025, 09:53:41 AM »
For what's it's worth, the 1st elimination was 2 seconds faster than the second one and was clearly the tougher elimination.

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2025, 09:56:28 AM »
I would have to guess Todd Pletcher has him beat, especially since thoroughbred trainers get 10% instead of the 5% in harness. I am sure his daily training rate is somewhere in the $150/day range also.
   Pletcher doesnt own his horses like Burke does nor does he train as many as Burke.
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2025, 09:59:51 AM »
Nothing but jealousy and haters. Burke has earned the success he is experiencing.

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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2025, 10:01:33 AM »
     You have to truly applaud Burke for what he has accomplished. To be able to manage so many stables that he has across the country is truly amazing. BUT, he is hurting the sport. The small outfits can't compete with the numbers he has. He goes to states and dominates.  More and more of the Locals are disapearing. To have 5 horses in the Adios final hits the nail right on the head. No other trainer can do this. In the sport's heyday. You never saw this happen. 
     He also has a huge advantage with so many horses  to fit them in a perfect class weekly at different tracks. It's an amazing operation, but when is enough, enough. He is obviously financially set for life.  I have no idea how many horses he has, but it has to be in the hundreds.
   

     I think I heard him say 200-300

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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2025, 10:06:24 AM »
You must be young and wasn't actually around for the heyday. Multiple entries were common in big races in the 60's thru the 80's. In fact, Billy Haughton had five horses in the Meadowlands Pace that he won with Nihilator. A race I may add that was the biggest the sport had to offer.

How many horses did Lou Guida, have in the Breeders Crown when Dragons Lair beat Nihilator? They even tried to gang up on Dragons Lair in the final so Nihilator would win.

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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2025, 10:08:48 AM »
I would add that although he has 5 horses that made the final, by far the best two horses in the final, Twisted Destiny and Prince Hal Hanover, are trained by other connections.

Burke is from a town close to The Meadows. The Adios does not draw all the top horses any more.  You will not see all five of those horses in one Grand Circuit race the rest of the year.

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« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2025, 10:11:46 AM »
Its a huge advantage when he has so many in a big race. His drivers know there will be a seat. Who's leavimg hard , taking back, etc . Do you think the other drivers/ owners can plan out a race like they can, Definitely a big help for them.

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« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2025, 10:25:47 AM »
Congrats to him on figuring out a way to become wealthy. But it's still not good for the sport. It is part of the reason it's slowly dieing. Props to him for getting the bag before it dies.

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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2025, 10:32:15 AM »
I think with the Meadows being his home track... he threw all his top 3 year olds in trying to win the race. They will spread back out and not compete to much against each other until the LBJ. We knew he had a great group of 3 year olds this year.. it's to soon to say if this will be the norm in following years or a 1 year aberration

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2025, 10:32:49 AM »
So he has 5 horses in the race. He has 5 drivers who will drive 5 different horses. He has 5 drivers who want to continue to drive for him in the future.
There will be many conversations after the draw. These drivers will get instructions. These guys can either follow instructions be a team player or not listen and lose the bestvaccount in the business. Atleast 3 of the 5 guys rely on burke for their livelihood.
That my friends is enough to fix a race. Or work as a team against other entries. These drivers need burke. Burke doesn't need them. They will listen

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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2025, 10:39:18 AM »
So he has 5 horses in the race. He has 5 drivers who will drive 5 different horses. He has 5 drivers who want to continue to drive for him in the future.
There will be many conversations after the draw. These drivers will get instructions. These guys can either follow instructions be a team player or not listen and lose the bestvaccount in the business. Atleast 3 of the 5 guys rely on burke for their livelihood.
That my friends is enough to fix a race. Or work as a team against other entries. These drivers need burke. Burke doesn't need them. They will listen

1984 a clear example of "working as a team". Lou Guida entered five and three made the final. Lou Guida desperately wanted Nihilator to win. Svanstead sometimes has half the field in trot races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUV3GVOehw

 

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