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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2025, 10:40:13 AM »
Micky Burke sent horses every year to Kelly S.at the Meadowland barely could get checks then one year he comes him self and wins rest is history.

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2025, 10:48:48 AM »
T-Bred trainers do the same thing, as rabbits are entered in many stake races to ensure a lively pace.

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2025, 10:51:33 AM »
1984 a clear example of "working as a team". Lou Guida entered five and three made the final. Lou Guida desperately wanted Nihilator to win. Svanstead sometimes has half the field in trot races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUV3GVOehw
Pershing Square, Chairmanoftheboar d and I cannot recall the other two

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2025, 10:52:22 AM »
Congrats to him on figuring out a way to become wealthy. But it's still not good for the sport. It is part of the reason it's slowly dieing. Props to him for getting the bag before it dies.

Again it is a symptom not the cause. It is the slots infused purses which is the cause.

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2025, 10:55:12 AM »
Pershing Square, Chairmanoftheboar d and I cannot recall the other two

There were 5 all together. Three made the final. Pershing Square parked Dragons Liar to set up the race for Nihilator. It did not work!

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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2025, 11:26:37 AM »
You throw around EMOTIONS instead of facts. Burke is no where close to a monopoly. In 2024 he won a little over 4.5% of the purses. That is not a monopoly. Åke Svanstedt has half the field in some trotting races.
Your comparing on a national level , but my comment only mention the Ohio Sires Stakes where his purse percent is much higher in recent years.

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2025, 01:32:52 PM »
It's still bad for the business. And it will continue to be bad for the business. Pretty soon he will just race against himself. That will be entertaining to the fans.

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2025, 01:36:26 PM »
1984 a clear example of "working as a team". Lou Guida entered five and three made the final. Lou Guida desperately wanted Nihilator to win. Svanstead sometimes has half the field in trot races.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUV3GVOehw

The thing Ake does not have is a horse in every class at every track that is a better horse than most of the other field. How does someone who doesn't have the ability to travel from the midwest to the east coast just to find the best class for each of their horses compete with that?

You will never convince me that he is not a cancer to the sport, nor that he isn't using something(s) he shouldn't. That's my opinion, not fact, but I don't see much to change my mind.

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2025, 01:42:57 PM »
i will restate

if you are beating those that are known cheaters using ped etc than you are either
1. exceptionally good at what you do
2. also cheating but have not been caught

its one or the other
post your answer, option 1 or option 2

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2025, 01:51:59 PM »
i will restate

if you are beating those that are known cheaters using ped etc than you are either
1. exceptionally good at what you do
2. also cheating but have not been caught

its one or the other
post your answer, option 1 or option 2

Option 3: both. In today's climate, you can't beat everyone without being both.

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2025, 02:10:35 PM »
Your comparing on a national level , but my comment only mention the Ohio Sires Stakes where his purse percent is much higher in recent years.

And he could do worse in future years. Look at what Virgil Morgan has done in Ohio and he is a much bigger factor at the Ohio Fairs.

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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2025, 02:13:28 PM »
In this sport as in all others cash is king.  If you have the biggest bankroll you can buy the best and the most. Eventually you can squeeze out the other guy. Just like in the game of monopoly.
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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2025, 02:14:27 PM »
It's still bad for the business. And it will continue to be bad for the business. Pretty soon he will just race against himself. That will be entertaining to the fans.

The fans do not know the difference. They are just looking at the horses and drivers. This is nothing new except Burke is much bigger. What is bad for the industry is KY having duel; eligibility where horses can make as much money and skip the grand circuit. What is bad for the industry is people like Diamond Creek keep their best horses at very few tracks and retiring them as soon as they can. The government handouts are the root of the problems.

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2025, 02:15:32 PM »
The thing Ake does not have is a horse in every class at every track that is a better horse than most of the other field. How does someone who doesn't have the ability to travel from the midwest to the east coast just to find the best class for each of their horses compete with that?

You will never convince me that he is not a cancer to the sport, nor that he isn't using something(s) he shouldn't. That's my opinion, not fact, but I don't see much to change my mind.

That is a huge exaggeration. Many of the stakes races last night did not have any Burke horses.

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Re: Burke has 5 in final
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2025, 02:17:18 PM »
In this sport as in all others cash is king.  If you have the biggest bankroll you can buy the best and the most. Eventually you can squeeze out the little guy. Just like in the game of monopoly.

Burke is better at the business part of the sport tan anyone else.  He is not the top performer on the track, he just uses volume to make money.

 

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