What percentage of harness races are corrupted?

[Superfecta]

Do you think they're even cheating in the big stake races with detention barns?

YES. The Little Brown Jug with the phone that was found with text asking Cassie about “Da Shit” and her yogurt.
Lou Peña was also seen going in and out of a barn.

[Onthefront11]

How much do I have to give Joe Frasure for the rail? 

[Pacer 2]

How much do I have to give Joe Frasure for the rail?

[Grandstand Handicapper]

What is corruption? Anything other than a 100% effort to win? If that's the definition then I think the percentage is high, between 1/3 and 1/2. However, is all of that corruption? The heavy favorite who trained poorly that week, and he finishes 6th or back? Some will say the trainer should have scratched the horse. The horse that drew a bad post, in a tough field, and if he finishes 4th or back he gets money off his card and can drop in class next out? Some will say that's "stiffing" the horse. Is that the same as Steve Kerr sitting Curry, Butler, Kuminga, and Green, at the end of the season because they already made the playoffs and he wants to rest them?

Short of a driver gambling and the egregious aspect there, the trainer/driver lack of effort for class relief, or some nefarious activity, a lot of what goes on is inherently part of the business, and by default, part of the sport.

[halfinhalfout]

amen-hallelujah.................you said a mouthful, all true.
You know when Gural put in his 'no holes' clause it kinda screws up a race.  If someone leaves and is parked it can be to my advantage to put him in a hole to get him out of my way.  I will say that the racing at Mohawk with the 7/8 track lends itself to alot of places to put your horse depending if you are live or not....which goes back to the prior discussion, no one is 'live' in every race, but not for the nefarious reasons that Joe two bucks thinks.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

which goes back to the prior discussion, no one is 'live' in every race, but not for the nefarious reasons.

Plain and simple.

As far as the no holes deal at the Meadowlands, I think the giving holes has been exacerbated by several factors. One, today's driving style is such that drivers lay back (out of the back of the seat/bike). The added distance gets compounded and the field is spread out far more today than in the past. Two, couple that with track conditions, maintenance, etc. Debate all day long about wind, banked turns, speed, bikes, whatever. You just don't have horses winning from off the pace like they used to. I lived on Meadowlands racing from the day they opened after making my bones in NY racing. While you could always get a bias, a front-end favored night, a wind-aided coming from off the pace night, etc.-----trip racing today is apples and bowling balls different than it used to be. Other sports change rules to better the game/sport. Harness racing should do it too!

[seen2much]

It depends on what track. Last night Yonkers had 9 races. All but race 4 had multiple shady trainers. Pocono had a 14 race card & all but two had cheaters.

[halfinhalfout]

miss the good old days...Meadowland s shuffle was more exciting than watching single file lineups we have today, which probably also plays into fewer closers...I miss horses coming out of the clouds, in big races.  Forget Yonkers, how anyone can watch or bet on their product is beyond comprehension.
Basically, todays racing is garbage.

[Yonkers1A]

     Cheaters eventually get caught and are removed. You get educated!

And 2 take their place, now you have leaned something today, congratulations

[Loose Horse]

Not as many, since the Hazel Park Poker Club went out of biz. lol

That said, I once had to appear in front of the Quebec Lotto Commission, over the running of the last race trifecta coming back a little short. I knew they did it, but I didn't know anything. Paid for their trucking from Coconut Grove to Sudsbury Downs.

Same crew in Sudsbury tried to make a score to pay the bills; however, the judges refunded the $ on the nowhere to be found favourite (ex). They profited a tidy $6 per, for their troubles.

Note: I was looking at some horses that are in to go in the near future, the other day, and I witnessed the most blatant stiff that I have ever seen - woulda made Rodney Dangerfield proud, sort of stiff. Took home 5th money, but on the Super ticket - he was not to be found. I'm not going to say who that was because I'm heading to the windows with them.

P.S. Closers aren't closing because speed carries these days. The breed has changed much. Gone are the days of needing 3lb toe weights to keep 'em trotting.

[Harness racer]

Corrupt like it’s fixed…very small percentage line 3-5%.  Corrupt where at least one horse in the race has something illegal in its system, 99%!

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Corrupt like it’s fixed…very small percentage line 3-5%.  Corrupt where at least one horse in the race has something illegal in its system, 99%!

All things considered, I think that's pretty close. It's a shame that if you are racing on hay, oats, and water, then you are at a competitive disadvantage. Some say it's always been that way. Perhaps. Today however it is extreme. Beyond egregious.

I've long supported universal medication rules, point system, three strikes you're out, massive fines, lifetime suspensions, etc. Yes, the sport and the industry needs massive, drastic reform. I am all for it. But all of that has to come with prudence, with sagacity, with proper and effective governance. What doesn't make sense to me is the negativity and hatred. Thankfully the negativity and hatred here is not reflective of the sport and industry at large. If you hate the sport and industry so much, if you have nothing but negativity to contribute, and you have nothing positive to contribute, etc.-----then get out. Why even pay attention? Because you love the sport? The industry? Yet all you contribute is negativity and hatred, so that's your love for the sport and industry. Good luck with that. All you are doing is vomiting negativity and hatred.

There are still many good people in this sport and industry. There are still people who are working to improve the sport and industry. Criticize them and you are showing your true colors. There are still people committed to this sport and industry. On this website, it's pretty clear who isn't part of that group of people.

[Loose Horse]

Note: I was looking at some horses that are in to go in the near future, the other day, and I witnessed the most blatant stiff that I have ever seen - woulda made Rodney Dangerfield proud, sort of stiff. Took home 5th money, but on the Super ticket - he was not to be found. I'm not going to say who that was because I'm heading to the windows with them.

Horse was 2nd in the last race at Mohawk on May 1 at 47-1.

Watch the reply of his previous race at Flammy. Should lose license and crown jewels so that it can't procreate - same for the judges for letting that drive slide.