What percentage of harness races are corrupted?

[Stan durbread]

I have zero knowledge of behind the scenes. Just curious what you vets think...

Every lost bet is a fixed race. Every won bet is brilliant handicapping

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Every harness race has a percentage of corruption. Whether it is driver's lack of effort for gambling, driver's lack of effort for classification or driver's lack of effort due to horse's fitness, in any given race at least half the field isn't trying to win while the others who are trying to win are loaded to the gills with an array of drugs. I promise you I am not exaggerating.

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Extremely rare for a race to be "corrupted" these days. Any cheaters eventually get caught and suspended.

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Every harness race has a percentage of corruption. Whether it is driver's lack of effort for gambling, driver's lack of effort for classification or driver's lack of effort due to horse's fitness, in any given race at least half the field isn't trying to win while the others who are trying to win are loaded to the gills with an array of drugs. I promise you I am not exaggerating.

"half" the field? Ya that's an exaggeration.

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Every lost bet is a fixed race. Every won bet is brilliant handicapping

  YES!   

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"half" the field? Ya that's an exaggeration.

   
YES!     

[seen2much]

If you mean a trainer has to do something to compete the percentage is very high. Some aren't using what the top cheats are. How else could you win a race? It's insane what Engblom, Burke, Bongiorno, Alexander, & many, many others are doing. In my opinion it forces trainers to cheat to stay afloat.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

"half" the field? Ya that's an exaggeration.

If you don't think in a 10 horse field that 5 of the horses are dead, you are nuts and probably never raced a horse in your life.

[Scooteroo]

When you say 5 horses in a 10-horse field are dead, are you factoring in the # of horses who have a legitimate chance to win, because in most 10 horse fields 2 or 3 horses probably have no shot to win under any circumstances because they're overmatched. You also have big longshots with outside posts who lay back their only shot is to sit on the rail and hope for a check. Are you counting them as dead horses not trying to win? There's a difference between not trying to win and knowing you can't win. I'm not trying to argue with you, just making that point.

[halfinhalfout]

Horse missed time for vet repairs/sickness etc. Draws in tough...no go
Horse missed time vet repairs/sickness...drops down, good post...is a go

The gamblers need to start thinking like a trainer....you have to protect your stock.  My mentor told me to keep myself in the highest class possible and my horses in the lowest class possible and it made it a great ride.

Before slot infused purses the racing at the smaller tracks was more corrupt, could make more gambling than taking down a 300 win purse at Dover or Ocean...maidens went for 600-700.

Truth is more trainers/drivers lost over the course of the year...always looking for the score.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

When you say 5 horses in a 10-horse field are dead, are you factoring in the # of horses who have a legitimate chance to win, because in most 10 horse fields 2 or 3 horses probably have no shot to win under any circumstances because they're overmatched. You also have big longshots with outside posts who lay back their only shot is to sit on the rail and hope for a check. Are you counting them as dead horses not trying to win? There's a difference between not trying to win and knowing you can't win. I'm not trying to argue with you, just making that point.

If you know you can't win, you won't make a winning move. You will like you said, save ground and hope for a check and maybe get class relief for next start. In every race half the field is dead for either that reason, gambling purposes or horse had a bad week of training and connections will save for a later date. Like I said, 5 of the 10 are DEAD in every race and the others are loaded to the gills.

[Yonkers1A]

Extremely rare for a race to be "corrupted" these days. Any cheaters eventually get caught and suspended.

Have you ever been to a barn and seen the crap that goes down ? Get educated

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Have you ever been to a barn and seen the crap that goes down ? Get educated

     Cheaters eventually get caught and are removed. You get educated!

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Very little. There’s NO money in the pools to bet more can be made by racing to win! That’s one of the few positives of low handles.

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If you don't think in a 10 horse field that 5 of the horses are dead, you are nuts and probably never raced a horse in your life.

Nope never raced a horse in my life besides as an owner. Correct.
Nuts--nope. 4 out of 8 not having a chance yes I get. 4 of the 8 corrupting the race...no