Karl To Stand Stud In 2025

[bestbetter]

I think he is a great horse...

[Grandstand Handicapper]

One of the greatest of all time.....at least around these parts. LOL.

[JT]

One of the greatest of all time.....at least around these parts. LOL.

That person has disappeared

[RANDOLPH POKER]

FYI - HOT MESS HANOVER is in foal to WALNER

How much will she bring??

[SDST2009]

My guess is Tactical Landing based on the Hunterton Connection...or Chapter Seven

For who? Jiggy Jog?

It's already been announced the plan for her is Muscle Hill. Chapter Seven would be rather incestuous.

[Brown jug]

muscle hill is obvious first choice for jiggy jog, they can start early and hope she catches , if not it will be his son  tactical landing
they ae not going to risk her first breeding on karl, an unknown stallion

[Call Sign Merlin]

Trotting side could use a SBSW type outcross to come along - right now 90% of studs are either Chapter Seven or Muscle Hill.  The Andover Hall line has puttered out and will basically be gone after Swan For All.  Creatine was infertile and I’m guessing Nuncio is too.  Donato sired mostly filly speed and I love seeing him on the broodmare side of a page but no studs of note.

Maybe Ready For Moni will over perform or someone like Captain Corey will come out of left field.

[Lance]

Trotting side could use a SBSW type outcross to come along - right now 90% of studs are either Chapter Seven or Muscle Hill.  The Andover Hall line has puttered out and will basically be gone after Swan For All.  Creatine was infertile and I’m guessing Nuncio is too.  Donato sired mostly filly speed and I love seeing him on the broodmare side of a page but no studs of note.

Maybe Ready For Moni will over perform or someone like Captain Corey will come out of left field.

 Yea, usually (hopefully) someone does.  That whole Direct Scooter (Matts Scooter) line was dead until Mach Three came along and produced SBSW....and look where that is at now.

[rainman2]

That person has disappeared

Yes. Mike hasn’t posted in 3+ weeks!  Mike took plenty of ‘razzing’/abuse because of his stance on this!  Seriously now, is he ok? 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Seriously, did anyone really believe they were going to breed Jiggy Jog S to Karl? Seriously?

[seen2much]

I wouldn't be rushing to breed to Karl. Breeding/pedigree are not my strong points.

[SDST2009]

Seriously, did anyone really believe they were going to breed Jiggy Jog S to Karl? Seriously?

I'll admit I can't always read sarcasm on this forum, but I believe some did.

[SDST2009]

I wouldn't be rushing to breed to Karl. Breeding/pedigree are not my strong points.

They're somewhat my strong points (or at least something I take a strong interest in ) and I wouldn't either, but not really because of him, exactly. He's plenty fast. I wouldn't say he's shown toughness and I wouldn't say he's exuded soundness. I don't mind the pedigree so much. My biggest concern is his stud fee is going to be inflated for what he actually represents: a lightly-raced horse who showed great speed and dominated at 2, but not a model of consistency.

[The Answer]

Karl is not a lightly raced horse. A lightly raced horse is Walner who actually demands the highest stud fee in the business. Then you say he’s not consistent 22 starts 18 wins 2 seconds and 1 third is a model of consistency.
Are you thinking of a different horse?

[SDST2009]

Karl is not a lightly raced horse. A lightly raced horse is Walner who actually demands the highest stud fee in the business. Then you say he’s not consistent 22 starts 18 wins 2 seconds and 1 third is a model of consistency.
Are you thinking of a different horse?

No, I am not. He will finish his career with not a lot of starts. His stats do contradict my assertion he isn't consistent but the ones he has lost don't scream gallant in defeat. And yes, you are correct Walner had way less. I do think Walner exuded way more talent than this horse. And you missed my point that he will stand for more than he is initially worth, IMO, and that is my main reason for not being super excited about breeding any mare to him.

You and MC appear to be from the same school of thought.