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Greenshoe
« on: June 29, 2023, 01:06:04 PM »
Haven’t seen any good ones yet. None I’ve seen seem to carry their speed.

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2023, 02:10:03 PM »
That's what it looks like so far.  101 foals 12 have marks but only one under 2.00

For comparison

Chapter 7 from 91 foals 23 have marks 10 under 2.00
Walner  from 103 foals 17 have marks 9 under 2.00
Muscle Hill 70 foals 8 with marks 3 under 2.00

It does seem like going under 2.00 is pretty rare so far this year for most 2 yr old trotters.  Seems times are overall slower than the past few years from what I remember. Maybe it's not hot enough.
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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2023, 06:11:31 PM »
Hanover doesn’t typically miss on their higher end stallions. He’s got a ton of support, maybe they’re just taking longer to get gaited?

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2023, 06:28:15 PM »
Too early to tell yet, but he has been afforded every opportunity in terms of mares. If he flops this year I imagine Hanover will drop him like a hot potato.

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2023, 08:49:31 PM »
I think Gimpanzee will get the job done.  Wonderfully bred, speed, great looking horse and made lots of money.

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2023, 08:59:29 PM »
I think Gimpanzee will get the job done.  Wonderfully bred, speed, great looking horse and made lots of money.

Agree with this.

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2023, 09:07:39 PM »
It is too early to judge him as a stallion. Not much money on the line yet. But Melander did him no favors by bringing a bunch to qualifying races that were not ready

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2023, 09:44:49 PM »
I think Gimpanzee will get the job done.  Wonderfully bred, speed, great looking horse and made lots of money.
       
His semen sucks, they only ship same day counter to counter!

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2023, 05:05:35 PM »
Just watched 2yr ols at the meadows. Not really impressed with the greenshoe's. For the $ you spend they ain't any monsters out there, look like nice horses but that's all.

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2023, 05:16:35 PM »
Just watched 2yr ols at the meadows. Not really impressed with the greenshoe's. For the $ you spend they ain't any monsters out there, look like nice horses but that's all.
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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2023, 10:09:05 PM »
he'll be another Father Patrick or Trixton

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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2023, 11:36:28 AM »
That's what it looks like so far.  101 foals 12 have marks but only one under 2.00

For comparison

Chapter 7 from 91 foals 23 have marks 10 under 2.00
Walner  from 103 foals 17 have marks 9 under 2.00
Muscle Hill 70 foals 8 with marks 3 under 2.00

It does seem like going under 2.00 is pretty rare so far this year for most 2 yr old trotters.  Seems times are overall slower than the past few years from what I remember. Maybe it's not hot enough.

Here's an update on all leading trotting sires of 2 year olds by state as of this morning  Remember it's still early so earnings don't mean that much  but this should be somewhat telling of which sires produce early in their careers speed.

Columns are  Number of Foals  How many have marks  How many 2.00 or under   Earnings

New Jersey

Muscle Hill           70   17   11   53000
Six Pack              85   16    6  115000
Tactical Landing   100  23  13  147000
Walner                103  31  20  290000

Pennsylvania

Bar Hopping         62  14    8  132000
Cantab Hall          83  20    3  130000
Father Patrick      100  30  14 252000
Greenshoe           101  22  11 154000 
International Moni  102  18  7 112000

New York

Chapter Seven       91   29  17 310000
E L Titan                50   11   2  64000

Ohio

Long Tom            91   21   4  176000
What the Hill       84   14   3  145000
Uncle Peter         54   17   3  110000

Indiana

Dover Dan           47    8   4   90000
Swan For All        95   16   7  101000
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Re: Greenshoe
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2023, 12:06:32 PM »
Nice work, Thorny. I am confident it will be a much different picture come November.

 

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