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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2023, 07:21:29 PM »
If they investigated some owners at Dover they'll have a field day!

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2023, 06:13:36 AM »
I don't see the Feds getting involved in an operation like this. They will forward what they have to other agencies like IRS and state Gamming as well as State Attorneys offices. But, to investigate and build cases against owners when there is no responsibility of an owner for what a licensed trainer does.
 I don't see the states spending money and time to blacken their own eye either. Why go that route when all you need to do is disrupt the funding.   

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2023, 06:37:58 PM »
I don't see the Feds getting involved in an operation like this. They will forward what they have to other agencies like IRS and state Gamming as well as State Attorneys offices. But, to investigate and build cases against owners when there is no responsibility of an owner for what a licensed trainer does.
 I don't see the states spending money and time to blacken their own eye either. Why go that route when all you need to do is disrupt the funding.
I DONT AGREE. WHY DID THE INVESTIGATE THE TRAINERS THEN? I'M TELLING YOU, THE PUBLIC IS TIRED OF BEING JACKED OVER SO THE FED'S HAD TO STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OWNER/TRAINERS AS WELL AS OWNERS SUPPLYING THE GO GO JUICE AND LAYING OFF THE FEDS RADAR. BELIEVE ME, IF AND WHEN THEY START WITH THE OWNERS YOU WILL SEE THE GAME DRY UP REAL FAST BECAUSE 95% OF THE TRAINERS ARE BUSTED AND COULDNT DO THE ILLEGAL SHIT WITHOUT THE OWNERS SUPPLYING THEM THE MONEY. YOU THINK SURICK, ALLARD AND DANE WERE SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY ON THE RED ACID? FUCK NO. THEY GOT THE MONEY FROM WEALTHY OWNERS WHO TURNED A BLIND EYE. NOW THEYRE ABOUT TO GET THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM TOO. CANT WAIT TO SEE GUYS LIKE MARTY ENGGLE RUNNING FOR COVER.
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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2023, 07:35:36 AM »
Hope you are right….

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2023, 09:37:25 AM »
I DONT AGREE. WHY DID THE INVESTIGATE THE TRAINERS THEN? I'M TELLING YOU, THE PUBLIC IS TIRED OF BEING JACKED OVER SO THE FED'S HAD TO STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OWNER/TRAINERS AS WELL AS OWNERS SUPPLYING THE GO GO JUICE AND LAYING OFF THE FEDS RADAR. BELIEVE ME, IF AND WHEN THEY START WITH THE OWNERS YOU WILL SEE THE GAME DRY UP REAL FAST BECAUSE 95% OF THE TRAINERS ARE BUSTED AND COULDNT DO THE ILLEGAL SHIT WITHOUT THE OWNERS SUPPLYING THEM THE MONEY. YOU THINK SURICK, ALLARD AND DANE WERE SPENDING THEIR OWN MONEY ON THE RED ACID? FUCK NO. THEY GOT THE MONEY FROM WEALTHY OWNERS WHO TURNED A BLIND EYE. NOW THEYRE ABOUT TO GET THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM TOO. CANT WAIT TO SEE GUYS LIKE MARTY ENGGLE RUNNING FOR COVER.

 I respect your opinion and in a better world, who by far benefited from the criminal acts of the trainers should be held accountable . You ask why did they investigate the trainers then? Mainly because Gural had paid 5 Stars  a boatload to do a professional investigation that would interest the FEDS. Also, Jeffery's political influence is deep. The manpower, time and commitment needed to do the owners the same way would probably do little if anything along the lines of criminality. If the FBI can not get an indictment they will not investigate.
 It is the job of the states to police this game. I am sure the FBI will turn over many incriminating documents to the State and IRS. The state has not shown an interest in doing any of this since the para mutual tax was a revenue generator for state and local coffers .
 But, I sure hope they take your advice. It would be extremely entertaining to watch some of these guys squirm .

 

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2023, 11:12:45 AM »
The feds fear no one… the state commissions have have shown little desire to spend $$$ to prosecute even the worst offenders.

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2023, 11:38:31 AM »
The feds fear no one… the state commissions have have shown little desire to spend $$$ to prosecute even the worst offenders.
Which state is quickest to turn a blind eye

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2023, 02:02:10 PM »
Delaware does nothing to known cheats and never question where people are getting these 6-figure amounts to purchase horses in their names.  Hard to say if they are the worst, but they don't do anything.

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2023, 05:27:42 PM »
Which state is quickest to turn a blind eye
Probably a dead heat between Pa. and N.Y.

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2023, 06:06:28 PM »
I respect your opinion and in a better world, who by far benefited from the criminal acts of the trainers should be held accountable . You ask why did they investigate the trainers then? Mainly because Gural had paid 5 Stars  a boatload to do a professional investigation that would interest the FEDS. Also, Jeffery's political influence is deep. The manpower, time and commitment needed to do the owners the same way would probably do little if anything along the lines of criminality. If the FBI can not get an indictment they will not investigate.
 It is the job of the states to police this game. I am sure the FBI will turn over many incriminating documents to the State and IRS. The state has not shown an interest in doing any of this since the para mutual tax was a revenue generator for state and local coffers .
 But, I sure hope they take your advice. It would be extremely entertaining to watch some of these guys squirm .

 
I DISAGREE. ITS THE STATES JOB TO POLICE THE TRAINERS TOO, YET THE FEDS GOT INVOLVED AND DID THEIR JOB. ITS ONE STEP FURTHER TO TRACK THE TRAINERS SOUCE OF INCOME. 99.9% OF THE TIME CROOKED JUICING TRAINER = CROOKED JUICING OWNER. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! TRUST ME, JEFF GURAL MIGHT HAVE SOME POLITICAL INFLUENCE BUT THERE ISNT ANYONE WHO CAN INSTRUCT THE FBI TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO THAT DEGREE. IN FACT, I BELIEVE THIS LAST INVESTIGATION AND BOATLOAD OF INDICTMENTS WAS THE RESULT OF OVER 7 YEARS OF MONITORING AND WATCHING THE CHEATERS IN ACTION. JEFF GURAL ISNT THAT SMART BUDDY. THE OWNERS ARE GOING TO BE NEXT. JUST WATCH AND SEE. ONCE YOU MENTION IRS WATCH THEM ALL SQUIRM
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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2023, 07:09:04 PM »
No chance, I agree with Exporter

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2023, 06:47:53 AM »
Some guy works at a job for 20 years. One day he snaps, and goes postal. Walks into Walmart and starts shooting people.

In someone's scenario, the FEDS go after his employer because they paid him, and he used that money to buy guns and ammo.
Just like a trainer who used the money he earned to buy illegal drugs for the horses......Reall y?

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2023, 06:40:53 PM »
Some guy works at a job for 20 years. One day he snaps, and goes postal. Walks into Walmart and starts shooting people.

In someone's scenario, the FEDS go after his employer because they paid him, and he used that money to buy guns and ammo.
Just like a trainer who used the money he earned to buy illegal drugs for the horses......Reall y?
WRONG! THE CHEATING OWNER BOUGHT THE MEDICATION AND TOLD THE BUSTED OUT TRAINER WHO COULDNT AFFORD TO BY BREAKFAST HOW AND WHEN TO USE THE DRUGS. GET WITH THE TIMES. 95% OF THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE INDICTED ARE FLAT  BROKE ON THEIR ASS POS. THE OWNERS ARE THE ONES WHO HAD THE MONEY, INVESTED THE MONEY, CALLED THE SHOTS, AND MADE THE MONEY. MANY OF THESE TRAINERS WHO ARE GOING TO JAIL DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO PUT HOBBLES ON A HORSE.
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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2023, 08:50:28 PM »
Crawford farms were big supporters of Nicky , how's their poster boy now

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Re: The FEDs to start to examine owners....
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2023, 09:27:56 PM »
Hey. Law & Order. Gural paid for the investigation with the retired FBI investigation company. He gave them money to go after certain trainers for his personal interest.  Money talks. The FBI had nothing to do with it until Gural paid for it. He knew the commissions are a joke  along with all the Judges. Good for Gural but he is not a savior like people think.

 

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