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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2020, 11:48:36 PM »
Allard is operating as usual

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2020, 01:50:45 AM »
IT IS VERY POSSIBLE THAT THE COUNSEL FOR THE VARIOUS PARTIES MADE CASES VIA MOTION OR BRIEF THAT THEY , AS PER THE CONSTITUTION HAS THE RIGHT TO EARN A LIVING AND MUCH BUSINESS IS CONDUCTED AT A SALE.   POSSIBLE THEY WERE SELLERS AND POSSIBLY BUYERS BUT EACH TRANSACTION WAS IN FACT MANDATORILY BE DISCLOSED TO THE COURTS.  I AM NOT SURE REGARDING FINES AND RESTITUTION YET AS COVID 19 HAS TRULY SLOWED DOWN THIS PROCESS.

I WOULD GUESS THAT THE PROCEDURE WAS FOLLOWED PROPERLY AS NO ONE WOULD BE FOOL ENOUGH TO VIOLATE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS.  AS YOU ARE AWARE, THE JUDGE COULD REVOKE OR CHANGE BOND TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF HE SO CHOOSES PLUS THE PROSECUTORS COULD IN FACT REQUEST BOND CHANGES IF THERE IS JUST CAUSE.

I WOULD GUESS REALITY IS BEGINNING TO SET IN BY NOW AND EACH WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE IN FOR BOTH MENTALY, EMOTIONALLY AND ESPECILLY FINANCIAL.  THE LEGAL BILLS WILL TRULY BEGIN TO STACK AS THE CASE MOVES FORWARD PLUS NEGOTIATIONS FOR A PLEA DEAL.   

MY GUESS IS EACH WILL PLEAD GUILTY AS THEIR CRIMES WILL BE GREATLY REDUCED BY THE COURT IF THEY TAKE RESPPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS.   FURTHER, THE FEDERAL SYSTEM IS BUILT ON THE INDICTED TELLING ON OTHERS WHO ARE INVOLVED.   THAT IS WHY SO MANY NEW PARTIES ARE ALWAYS BROUGHT INTO THE CASE AS THE CASE MOVES FORWARD.   THOSE WHO TALK FIRST GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THEIR BUCK.   I HAVE SEEN THIS CHANGE A SENTENCE BY AS MUCH AS TEN YEARS SO IT IS A HUGE CONTRIBUTOR TO THEIR RELEASE AND SENTENCING.

"PACER" IS THE KEY TO THE MOTIONS AND VARIOUS LEGAL ACTIONS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE.

WE HAVE HEARD "RUMORS" THAT THERE IS MORE TO BE INDICTED BUT PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS ONLY "RUMOR" AND THERE WILL ONLY BE FACTUAL INFORMATION WHEN THE JUDGE RULES!!!   

ANYTHING OTHER THAN A JUDGE RULING OR COURT DOCUMENTS ON PACER IS MOST LIKELY HEARSAY.

HOPE THIS HELPS!

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2020, 08:15:42 AM »
Please keep us informed to the reality not the rumors, thank you again.

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2020, 10:03:41 AM »
I will say it was disturbing watching Allard parade around Fasig-Tipton examining yearlings like he didn’t have a care in the world.

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2020, 12:17:02 PM »
Sub human piece of shit.
great marketing tool for the USTA, we take anybody, even indicted trainers. Joe says they´re not convicted yet, so what is the problem. Banca great guy he never had an idea that stuff was ALLEGEDLY going on.

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2020, 04:58:19 PM »
Counselor: What are your thoughts on a timeframe when the courts deal with the original indictments?

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2020, 05:18:41 PM »
Allard is operating as usual

he aint afraid of no

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2020, 12:29:33 AM »
EACH OF THE INDICTED IS ENTITLED TO A "SPEEDY TRIAL" AS PER THE CONSTITUTION.  FURTHER, THEY ARE ENTITLED TO A JURY TRIAL.   IN ESSENCE THIS MEANS THEY MUST BE TRIED WITHIN 12 MONTHS OF THE DATE OF THEIR RREST UNLESS THEY IN FACT SIGN A WAIVER STATING THAT THEY WILL IN FACT WAIVE THAT RIGHT.

THE QUESTION HERE IS THAT THE ATTORNEYS FOR EITHER OF THE PARTIES CAN IN FACT CLAIM THAT THE PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED A DELAY IN THE PREPARATION OF THEIR CASES OR THEIR DEFENSE.

THERE IS A TERM CLLED "TOLLING" WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT EVERYTHING IS STAYED BUT PRESERVED DURING A SITUATION THAT NEITHER PARTY CONTROLLED.  THEREFORE, THE TIME FROM AROUND MARCH 23 2020 TO CURRENT---EITHER SIDE CAN SAY THE RIGHT TO A "SPEEDY TRIAL" MUST BE EXTENDED DUE TO THE "TOLLING " OF THE PANDEMIC DELAYS.   

I PERSONALLY BELEIVE THAT THE COURT MAY GO THIS ROUTE AND THEREFORE THE TRIAL OR PLEA DEAL COULD BE EXTENDED TO SUMMER OF 2021.

TIME WILL TELL.

THE RACING COMMUNITY WILL KNOW ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL INDICTMENTS BEFORE THE ATTORNEYS OR THE INVOLVED.

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2020, 04:37:47 AM »
Counselor: I will assume that some of the indicted will "sing" to avoid a longer sentence. And I am sure that the list of people that bought and used these illegal drugs is greater than the 29 people named so far.  Will the added names be on hold till summer of 21 too or will more indictments be annoimced sooner?

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2020, 11:28:56 PM »
"Rumor" has it that there are many more involved and several additional indictments.   This is not uncommon to take an extended period of time to go thru a large case such as this.   Plus with the  "PANDEMIC" many worked from home and continue to work from home.   It is obvious in my opinion that these delays are warranted due to the extensive files and evidence accumulated over several years.   

If there are additional indictments ------and again, I have only heard "RUMORS" not fact---most likely additional indictments are forthcoming and they will continue to add in number as additional information is shared by these newly indicted with law enforcement.

My guess, is a trial or plea deal in June 2021 for the original indicted group.   I personally feel this will all be handled via plea deals.  The federal system is built on plea deals and "cooperation" from those indicted.   The win rate is 97% to 98% for the PROSECUTORS.  There is an old saying that the feds never ask the accused a question unless they already have the evidence supporting their known answer!

This is important case law as other states may use these cases to police the industry that is under severe scrutiny by several special interest groups and the publicity regarding the various integrity acts now being presented and considered in congress.

This case came at a very bad time for the harness industry.  It has created a lot of bad press and fortunately the COVID-19 drama took away much of the negative publicity that would have been in the public eye.

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2020, 05:43:31 AM »
Thank you Counselor

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2020, 11:35:23 AM »
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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2020, 12:26:00 PM »
I'm pretty sure Pigland is still hoping for an indictment with the Brigade Chiefs name on it

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2020, 12:27:32 PM »
I'm pretty sure Pigland is still hoping for an indictment with the Brigade Chiefs name on it
yeshow fo they not name burke

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Re: Indicted horse trainers
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2020, 01:00:34 PM »
The Counselor is Joe Dakuras.  He knows enough legal terminology to be dangerous.

 

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