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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2019, 10:15:41 AM »
This is advice from a guy 70+ years old who made a lot of money in harness racing.  I started when I was 12 years old and still keep a few mares and retired old horses.  I am not angry or bitter about the industry.  It made me money and helped me raise three great kids who are all 6 digit money-makers in the business and medicine world.  But this is what I would tell you now if you were my kid.

A)  If you are young, go to school.  Get a college degree.  Get a job and don't go anywhere near the harness business.  Do not bet.  Do not think there is anything glamorous about harness racing or racetracks.
B)  If you do try take a shot you will never find anyone who will teach you or help you without taking advantage of you or robbing and cheating you. 
3)  You will NOT make any money unless you are already wealthy and you can buy good babies and even then you have to get really lucky.  Odds are really bad against you.
4) Be prepared to have NO LIFE!  Your friends with regular jobs ( white collar or small business owners) will have fun and family and security and you will work 24 hours a day with zero chance for reward.
5) If you are older than 17 forget it.  You will never be good at it, especially if you want to be a driver.
6) All of the above apply now more than ever because harness racing is a dead industry.  There is zero future.
7) For every Brian Sears and Ron Burke, there are 200 drivers and trainers who qualify for food stamps.  Most have no health insurance.

PLEASE LISTEN:   I am an old guy.  I made a great living in harness racing, but it was tough and gritty.  And that was back in the days when there was tons of money to be made.  Now there is none.  Please run for your life and find some other job.  I never allowed any of my three children near the horse business.  They thank me every day.  If you were my son or daughter I would discourage you until you hated me.

agreed!  tmbz1  become too commercialized now-a-days with big stables controlling everything.

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2019, 10:21:14 AM »
I started out as a groom, then 2nd trainer, then finally got my drivers license. I did pretty well. But I had no life outside of harness racing. Constant travel. Hotels when i was lucky, crappy tack rooms most times but i still loved it. I was very fortunate to get my start with Tommy Paver who was honest and very helpful. This was in the days before the chemical warfare took over. I was crunched up in a pileup at northfield when they still had that godawful pvc rail. I haven't driven since. I miss the racing and the horses but it's a lot different today than it was then.  I wish you luck if you head down that path. There are still a couple mom and pop stables out there but they probably won't be for much longer. And don't be a beard. Under any circumstance. Walk away.


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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2019, 02:28:45 PM »
To learn the equipment  to rig it correctly  and to learn to jog was what I heard also had knowledge  of and working  with thoroughbred s but is really different  from standard breds

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2019, 02:31:49 PM »
Good luck in your search hopefully  you land where you can do well and learn the skills you seek

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2019, 02:37:01 PM »
The guy said wants to work and 75% answer as he wants to own..Even the forum big shots can't comprehend a sentence!

I SAW THAT TOO... ngc3

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2019, 02:47:00 PM »
Start with one of the classy operations like Jen Bongiorno or Ron Burke.

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2019, 02:47:22 PM »
Thinking the same KA. My question same as one above you. Where are you located and what track or tracks are you thinking about working?

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2019, 03:44:19 PM »
What area are you in, that will define where to search, unless you are going to move anywhere

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2019, 05:19:46 PM »
buy a paper shredder and put your money into that instead.
thats wat Rabbi should do! Hes
Known all overfor tearin up tickets!! tmbz1
Black lives matter? WTF
I was taught all lives matter!
Especially the lives of us rednecks
And our Horsez!!

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2019, 05:23:25 PM »
Swale most of these
Esteemed individuals on here
Have never been near a horse
Tbey be Keyboard owners/trainers  73cv.2
Black lives matter? WTF
I was taught all lives matter!
Especially the lives of us rednecks
And our Horsez!!

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2019, 05:31:30 PM »
I'm doing good too.

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Re: Looking for advice on harness racing
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2019, 06:00:23 PM »
This is advice from a guy 70+ years old who made a lot of money in harness racing.  I started when I was 12 years old and still keep a few mares and retired old horses.  I am not angry or bitter about the industry.  It made me money and helped me raise three great kids who are all 6 digit money-makers in the business and medicine world.  But this is what I would tell you now if you were my kid.

A)  If you are young, go to school.  Get a college degree.  Get a job and don't go anywhere near the harness business.  Do not bet.  Do not think there is anything glamorous about harness racing or racetracks.
B)  If you do try take a shot you will never find anyone who will teach you or help you without taking advantage of you or robbing and cheating you. 
3)  You will NOT make any money unless you are already wealthy and you can buy good babies and even then you have to get really lucky.  Odds are really bad against you.
4) Be prepared to have NO LIFE!  Your friends with regular jobs ( white collar or small business owners) will have fun and family and security and you will work 24 hours a day with zero chance for reward.
5) If you are older than 17 forget it.  You will never be good at it, especially if you want to be a driver.
6) All of the above apply now more than ever because harness racing is a dead industry.  There is zero future.
7) For every Brian Sears and Ron Burke, there are 200 drivers and trainers who qualify for food stamps.  Most have no health insurance.

PLEASE LISTEN:   I am an old guy.  I made a great living in harness racing, but it was tough and gritty.  And that was back in the days when there was tons of money to be made.  Now there is none.  Please run for your life and find some other job.  I never allowed any of my three children near the horse business.  They thank me every day.  If you were my son or daughter I would discourage you until you hated me.

I to am 70+ and agree 100%.
This could have easily ben written by me.
Many of the successful trainers/drivers of my era are now broke with no retirement plan but social security, and not much of that because we fudged to much on our taxes.

Good Luck and as Red Skelton would sign of saying  God Bless.

 

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