MIKE HALL POSITIVE. Why this should be a concern to all racing participants.

[bond]

Recently Mike came up positive on Detomidine-a short acting sedative. He  received a 1000$ fine and 60 day suspension and all his horses as well.
Since the high-profile scandals of Lou Pena's 1700+ going inside withdrawal times infractions---- regulatory bodies—including the New York State Gaming Commission and national groups like HISA and the RMTC—drastically changed their approach. Instead of focusing only on high-level, intentional "doping" agents, they supercharged their laboratory testing equipment.Today's testing technology is so incredibly sensitive that it regularly triggers a "positive" for fractional, completely inactive parts-per-billion garbage text—like a 3.27 ng/mL miniscule detomidine metabolite Mikes horse had—long after any therapeutic effect has vanished.The result is a highly defensive system where a trainer who does everything by the book, but miscalculates a therapeutic clearance window by just an hour or two, gets treated with the exact same harshness as a intentional cheater. It creates a reality where the lab results rule with absolute "strict liability," completely ignoring the common-sense physics of whether the horse actually had an unfair advantage on the track.
Thats whats happening on a weekly schedule---every week you see the same-miniscule metabolites-having no effect on the horse--trainer gets outed-sometimes at enormous costs--while out of competition testing to really catch the cheaters--crickets.

[darnoldrocks]

If all of your comment is true, why do the "real cheaters" not get caught for the same reasons?

[gurals casino]

the industry does not allocate any money for out of competition testing

no racetracks or state racing commissions are willing to absorb those costs

a large percentage of the leading breeders and owners are using trainers with a long history of positives--so they don't really want to dig that deep because they know they are complicit with all of this activity

[darnoldrocks]

the industry does not allocate any money for out of competition testing

no racetracks or state racing commissions are willing to absorb those costs

a large percentage of the leading breeders and owners are using trainers with a long history of positives--so they don't really want to dig that deep because they know they are complicit with all of this activity

I understand the lack of out of competition testing, but if the "real cheaters" are using drugs, why don't they get caught with the same miniscule / fractional amounts others do with the race day testing??

[bond]

"I understand the lack of out of competition testing, but if the "real cheaters" are using drugs, why don't they get caught with the same miniscule / fractional amounts others do with the race day testing??"

Exactly why Fishman and co-are/were behind bars--they used clandestine chemists using drugs that were designed to beat the testing.

Only way to eliminate these kind-is what the FBI did-wire tapping-using informants. Out of Competition has a flaw-which we saw with Lance Armstrong--he knew about Out of Competition testing-knew when they were coming-so used small doses-that would clear whenever he was tested and also used masking agents. Only way he was caught--whistleblower.
Instead of wasting money and using scapegoats-issuing BS positives that does nothing to catch real cheaters--offer huge rewards for information leading to conviction of cheaters.Not from haters-real information from people in the know.

[captaintreacherous]

sounds good. Bond

[Harness racer]

Mike has been pushing the envelope for years.  Do not feel sorry for him! 

[darnoldrocks]

I don't understand why it is so difficult to do successful out of competition testing.
Leave the scheduling to the tester.
They wake up and    a) select anyone they like    b) pull a farm name from a hat   c) have a randomize key on their computer attached to the file of all registered trainers   d)  go to a barn with the top 5 win percentage for the last month        or       e) go to a barn with previous positives. 

Don't share with anyone, drive up in their silver toyota, get out, flash their badge in the barn and start drawing blood from any horse they like, search any building they like, sift through any garbage they like. 

[Harness racer]

I don't understand why it is so difficult to do successful out of competition testing.
Leave the scheduling to the tester.
They wake up and    a) select anyone they like    b) pull a farm name from a hat   c) have a randomize key on their computer attached to the file of all registered trainers   d)  go to a barn with the top 5 win percentage for the last month        or       e) go to a barn with previous positives. 

Don't share with anyone, drive up in their silver toyota, get out, flash their badge in the barn and start drawing blood from any horse they like, search any building they like, sift through any garbage they like.

It's not difficult.  They don't want to find anything to upset the status quo.   

[Onthefront11]

How many times till the guy gets thrown out for good?  Poor horses that crashed off his program.

[hoosierboy]

How many times till the guy gets thrown out for good?  Poor horses that crashed off his program.

Never.  He should’ve been out years ago.

[Kirby's Ace]

Guy went from TV room to leading trainer.

Go figure that one out!

[Yonkers1A]

Faraldough is the problem he fights against OCT so his boys can run over your money at Jonkers, Joe must Go

[Kirby's Ace]

What does that have to do with this thread?

[Trigger]

Guy went from TV room to leading trainer.

Go figure that one out!

You're just a bitter Delaware f'ing failure 

Must steam you they are making money hand over fist 

While you got booted for the same thing they get trophies for 

Yesterday some big moolah in purses 

Of which you got nada 

Should post your losing gambling threads and when Calhoun and LUCPARK bitch slapped you 

Put your poor family out of their misery and just go, you can come back here mousey