Oh how the mighty have fallen! From one time HOTY to this for TBJF?

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Just because you say you know them certainly doesn't qualify as a creditable recommendation by any stretch.

I actually don't care what you think you know but rest assured, there are quite a few people with actual skin in the game that are laughing at you.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Mike C. makes very good points...

1 - Why confuse success, hof with being immaculate / while / no wrong doing which we're finding overwhelmingly is the case that both reside in the same world more than typically.

2 - He says he has first hand knowledge.

If you want to accuse him of having a personal grudge, you first have to dispute 1 is factual and you cannot, and prove the grudge.

[Bitter Truth]

I dare say there are at least an equal number who think that your take on Ryder is garbage.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

I dare say there are at least an equal number who think that your take on Ryder is garbage.

You and your cake eaters can think what you want.

[Sweet]

Fact check Chris Ryder's suspensions, amongst, positives...he's no angel 

[Bitter Truth]

What the hell does 'Cake eaters' mean? Must be a Jersey thing. Actually rarely eat cake. Ice cream man here.

[Bitter Truth]

I'm sure. Same discussion over and over. Name an 'ANGEL' successful trainer.

[Sweet]

I'm sure. Same discussion over and over. Name an 'ANGEL' successful trainer.

Was my point the entire time.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

What the hell does 'Cake eaters' mean? Must be a Jersey thing. Actually rarely eat cake. Ice cream man here.

Cake eater means someone who has no business voicing his or her opinion, as they aren't qualified to do so. That is you. In this case, you have no idea whether or not the trainer is dirty or not. Do you know anyone who works or worked for him? Do you even know where he is stabled? Like I said, spew your opinion on gambling and not horsemanship, as you are way out of your league.

[Bitter Truth]

As Sweet and I had just alluded to, there are 'VERY' few, if any clean top trainers. NEVER said Chris was
racing on hay and oats. Clearly that doesn't prevent you from being considered for and elected to HOF.
Got to go pretty far back in the day to find a trainer elected that you could say was completely clean.

[Sweet]

I think the ratio is somewhere around 1 / 10.

You get 5 positive busts in a career, there are more or less 45 that went under the radar.  These guys are brilliant horseman other than....perfect and competitive to the point and greedy and capable of anything to win right or wrong mentality.

As is life.

Every business.

One Better Business Complaint you'll find 9 other ripped off customers that didn't file any.

If the harness racing HOF used asterisks *

Considered one of the greatest harness drivers ever...

*With that said  Herve Filion plead guilty for state tax evasion, ending a 5 year investigation into race fixing