Madden Oaks at Tioga 4th race

[FirstUpFrom8Hole]

Should have been barred from wagering. I drove one at a fair once that was barred and I damn near got him beat by trying to save him for the next race. I was coasting in the stretch and I kind of misjudged how fast one was coming on the outside.

[Dostoevsky]

When you rob a bank, then two weeks later come back to steal a pen.

[Pacer 2]

Absolutely 100% agree!  I couldn't believe when I saw him in this race.   IMO he should not have been based on earnings alone!   What a joke

I didn't bet the race.  He almost lost.  Should have lost.  Fixed race

   Fixed race???    TOO FUNNY!!   

[Oliver Clozoff]

Horse is pissed Boyd keeps calling him a "motherfucker" 😂

[Yonkers1A]

Did they race him on an empty tank today?  He wins the Meadowlands Pace and almost gets beat in this class.  WTF?

EPO wore off, can’t light them up every race

[The Exporter]

That may have been the dumbest move I have ever seen, dropping that Horse in in a cheap over night. So many things can go sideways in a race. The only thing you can do is cheapen his value. Taking home a few grand and pacing in 52 does nothing for him or the owners.

[Pacer 2]

Their #1 priority is racing him in the big races. But I dont see anything wrong in picking up wins in the conditions he still fits. Nothing wrong with making $5500/wk with an  easier trip...

[Pacer 2]

EPO wore off, can’t light them up every race

   You have quite an imagination

[Pacer 2]

the race was fixed so a $2.10 horse would win?

[Harness racer]

That may have been the dumbest move I have ever seen, dropping that Horse in in a cheap over night. So many things can go sideways in a race. The only thing you can do is cheapen his value. Taking home a few grand and pacing in 52 does nothing for him or the owners.

Makes some of his other performances very questionable when you almost, and should’ve, gotten beat in a nw after the resume he has made for himself.

[Yonkers1A]

   You have quite an imagination

You probably think Gillis was clean

[Pacer 2]

You probably think Gillis was clean

    Not familiar with Gillis.  Just Dobie Gillis   

[Parked]

EPO wore off, can’t light them up every race

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[CMJAnew]

That may have been the dumbest move I have ever seen, dropping that Horse in in a cheap over night. So many things can go sideways in a race. The only thing you can do is cheapen his value. Taking home a few grand and pacing in 52 does nothing for him or the owners.

Second time Madden Oaks has raced that condition after/between Grand Circuit races. There is a class drop exclusion….but only for horses not stabled at the track.

[The Exporter]

My point is , if you just won a Grade 1 stake, elevating your value by accomplishment many times, why would you risk all you have accomplished for little if any upside. What does wining an overnight at Tioga do for you? Nothing. What would getting beat in an Tioga overnight do for you? Expose the horse as ordinary.