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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2025, 03:49:22 PM »
What judge approved the transfer from Kelsey Wagner to Luck Lilly Belle stables?

Transfer done directly through USTA....JOHN WAGNER transferred over 85 horses to his daughter KELSEY.....then 40 were transferred to different people from KELSEY......11 TO LUCKY LILLY BELL.   ....all on the same day.....USTA DOESN'T REALLY CARE

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2025, 04:52:28 PM »
Corruption at its finest!  That’s why bettors and owners are leaving by the bus load!

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2025, 05:28:33 PM »
Transfer done directly through USTA....JOHN WAGNER transferred over 85 horses to his daughter KELSEY.....then 40 were transferred to different people from KELSEY......11 TO LUCKY LILLY BELL.   ....all on the same day.....USTA DOESN'T REALLY CARE

My guess is that Wagner couldn't get a license approval again.  His suspension should be over with (think it ended this month).  But he would have to re apply and get approved and I have a feeling they said no to that so he's going a different route (not surprising)  They really just don't care.  If they did ..they would NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN!

Wagner shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a racetrack nor anyone he is related to, friends with , etc!

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2025, 07:46:08 PM »
Truedat  tmbz1

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2025, 10:45:21 PM »
Evidently the transfers were legal or they would not have been allowed.....

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2025, 10:51:38 PM »
John Wagner how many horses has he killed?

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2025, 12:12:30 AM »
Evidently the transfers were legal or they would not have been allowed.....

OMG.....legal my ass....USTA just wants the transfer money.....there's nothing legal about any of these transactions..... death of an industry....no one to police the corruption

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2025, 09:47:01 AM »
OMG.....legal my ass....USTA just wants the transfer money.....there's nothing legal about any of these transactions..... death of an industry....no one to police the corruption

   Whats illegal about which transfer and why?   Show me the ruling that makes any of these transfers illegal.......
« Last Edit: April 30, 2025, 10:36:15 AM by Pacer 2 »

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2025, 01:08:47 PM »
No one is smarter enough to allow that rule ngc3

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2025, 06:05:15 PM »
   Whats illegal about which transfer and why?   Show me the ruling that makes any of these transfers illegal.......

It’s hidden ownership for someone suspended, doesn’t matter whose name it was transferred into.  And yes, hidden ownership is a rule and illegal.  Tough to prove sometimes, especially when they don’t want to catch it!   tmbz1

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2025, 09:02:44 PM »
It’s hidden ownership for someone suspended, doesn’t matter whose name it was transferred into.  And yes, hidden ownership is a rule and illegal.  Tough to prove sometimes, especially when they don’t want to catch it!   tmbz1

I'm aware of hidden ownership but someone said Wagner's suspension is over and it looks like these are not hidden...

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2025, 09:15:53 PM »
Not over n will probably never get a license again

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2025, 09:23:32 PM »
Not over n will probably never get a license again

Cant tell you how many times I heard that. And yes, this is a beard stable

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2025, 09:31:54 PM »
Quote from: All trot link=topic=80251.msg1200785POSITIV#msg1200785 date=1746062153
Not over n will probably never get a license again.  He had somewhere around 9 positives in a course of a week or two.  He's done.  But they should make sure he has no hand in the pot and he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a racetrack or barn. 



Suspension was up the 12th.  I knew it was up this month but he will never get a license again. 
POSITIVE TEST- POST RACE
Trainer John Wagner, for being the trainer of record on sample #E720227 taken from TALK
TO ME ARTIE on March 12th, 2024 at Rosecroft Raceway, was found to contain ADBFubinaca. As a result, Wagner must return all purse monies. Additionally, TALK TO ME
ARTIE is disqualified, finishing first and placed ninth, and is placed on the steward’s list
from April 18th, 2024 through April 12th, 2025 (360 days).

https://ustrottingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Rulings-04262024.pdf

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Re: Shenandoah shenanigans
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2025, 11:13:19 PM »
You live by the sword, you die by the sword, get rid of Brayden and Wagner Paquette three dirt bags bad for the game 11.wp 11.wp tmbz1 11.dt 11.dt 11.dt 11.dt 11.dt 11.dt :) :) 11.dt :) :) 11.dnc 76za.dcg 52za.bkk 52za.bkk 52za.bkk 52za.bkk

 

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