Adding Lasix to a horse

[dinkadoo]

Is there a rule in harness racing regarding adding lasix ?

There’s a horse racing tonight that qualified on the 14th, stopped badly but still paced enough to qualify.  Last quarter 33.1.

5 days later racing tonight.  First Time Lasix.

[Dingus]

Horse was showing blood coming out of the nostrils or was scoped and showed it bled in the lungs.

[Parked]

In N Y you have to have a Vet certificate that he bled.  I hear Most never check and just pass out the slip. Then I think there are so many days you have to wait before racing.  Anyone know for sure.  ?

[Onthefront11]

Typically a gas trainer would try to improve one with lasix, I'm not a trainer but I can tell you it's a great angle to gamble on

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Then of course you have the conspiracy theorists----sorry, I mean, people----who say lasix covers up the really serious stuff they are using, or causes the horse to piss and the releasing agent in the serious stuff gets pissed out first, and so on. Regardless, if a horse legit bleeds, and the vet scopes the horse, they'll give out the lasix slip. In NJ, there used to be a # of days (if it were a race?), but I don't remember.

[Parked]

Amazing how many horses start to bleed between 3 and 4 years of age.  Some stables should x the air quality in their barns as all their horses bleed.   

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

Real reason for Lasix. There's no profitability with a horse that bleeds from the lungs. Lasix was the savior being legalized for use. However, I believe the actual term for bleeding is Exercise Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage. Which clearly says what we do by racing a horse is the cause. The people I warned all of you about that use that see it as abusing a horse. Because you're admitting that by racing them you cause harm. When's the last time you brought a horse in from running like a maniac and they were bleeding from the nose, or horses in the wild, do they bleed when they push too hard? Sorry, I love being the devil's advocate. But I have sat in on a few meetings with people who are paid very good money to lobby against you. Curtis Sliwa asked me a couple weeks ago what the reason for a tongue tie is. He's running for mayor again in NY and fighting to end the carriage horses. I told him why I was there and what my involvement was because of harness racing and finding Standardbreds. Point is, people do notice things.

[Dostoevsky]

Then of course you have the conspiracy theorists----sorry, I mean, people----who say lasix covers up the really serious stuff they are using, or causes the horse to piss and the releasing agent in the serious stuff gets pissed out first, and so on. Regardless, if a horse legit bleeds, and the vet scopes the horse, they'll give out the lasix slip. In NJ, there used to be a # of days (if it were a race?), but I don't remember.

Not a conspiracy theory. Robinson Cano was suspended by MLB for taking Lasix, because it improved his odds of avoiding steroid detection.

[titans1127]

My 3 year old filly didn't race on lasix at 2 due to it not being allowed in Minnesota, came back last month at Cal Expo on lasix for a qualifier and 2 starts and raced worse on it so she was taken off it but did not have to qualify again in order to race off of it.

[Stan durbread]

Real reason for Lasix. There's no profitability with a horse that bleeds from the lungs. Lasix was the savior being legalized for use. However, I believe the actual term for bleeding is Exercise Induced Pulmonary Hemorrhage. Which clearly says what we do by racing a horse is the cause. The people I warned all of you about that use that see it as abusing a horse. Because you're admitting that by racing them you cause harm. When's the last time you brought a horse in from running like a maniac and they were bleeding from the nose, or horses in the wild, do they bleed when they push too hard? Sorry, I love being the devil's advocate. But I have sat in on a few meetings with people who are paid very good money to lobby against you. Curtis Sliwa asked me a couple weeks ago what the reason for a tongue tie is. He's running for mayor again in NY and fighting to end the carriage horses. I told him why I was there and what my involvement was because of harness racing and finding Standardbreds. Point is, people do notice things.

Once again no horses in the wild do not get Lasix. When they suffer from EIPH they get eaten by predators. Just like horses that get lame. Next time you have a medical issue just ignore it and don’t seek a medical cure and we won’t have to listen to your dumbass again

[Equine Advocacy Alliance]

Once again no horses in the wild do not get Lasix. When they suffer from EIPH they get eaten by predators. Just like horses that get lame. Next time you have a medical issue just ignore it and don’t seek a medical cure and we won’t have to listen to your dumbass again

Guess you don't know how to read. I'm referring to the people who are truly lobbying to end the game asshole. Like I've never put a horse on lasix. I'm telling all of you how it's perceived in the media and lobbied against you. Unreal.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Not a conspiracy theory. Robinson Cano was suspended by MLB for taking Lasix, because it improved his odds of avoiding steroid detection.

Don't listen to that goofball. When you give a horse a drug, it first circulates through the bloodstream and after being processed by the liver ends up in the bladder for elimination. When you give a horse Lasix, within minutes the horse has several major urinating events, eliminating the drug tainted urine. For example, the rule in NJ for Bute being used is 48 hours before a race. If your horse isn't on Lasix, you may be flagged if you use it closer than 48 hours out. However, if your horse is on Lasix, you can now use Bute without being caught only 30 hours out and some actually push the envelope to 24 but that is risky. Of course, withdrawal times are based on the half life of the specific drug so all times are different but once again, there are advantages to using Lasix. Unknowing people always say that Lasix covers up other drugs. It does not cover anything but it will eliminate the "evidence" of drugs quicker than without it. Also, Lasix raises the horse's PH which works in conjunction with baking soda. If your horse is on Lasix, you can use more baking soda than a non Lasix horse. The states allow different levels of baking soda for Lasix and non Lasix horses.

[Dingus]

My 3 year old filly didn't race on lasix at 2 due to it not being allowed in Minnesota, came back last month at Cal Expo on lasix for a qualifier and 2 starts and raced worse on it so she was taken off it but did not have to qualify again in order to race off of it.

Minnesota also only allows 5cc of lasix for older horses instead of 10ccs in most other states.

[dinkadoo]

Is there a rule in harness racing regarding adding lasix ?

There’s a horse racing tonight that qualified on the 14th, stopped badly but still paced enough to qualify.  Last quarter 33.1.

5 days later racing tonight.  First Time Lasix.

this horse in question finsihed 10th beaten 27 lengths and paced a last quarter in 32.2

in my topic I wanted to know if there was a lasix rule -- that if a horse truly needed it, is there a minimum amount of days before you can drop into the box to effectlively treat the reason for bleeding...  This horse raced back 5 days off a qualifier which meant he was possibly dropped in the box the day after a qualifier that he finished the last quarter in 33.1

[Stan durbread]

this horse in question finsihed 10th beaten 27 lengths and paced a last quarter in 32.2

in my topic I wanted to know if there was a lasix rule -- that if a horse truly needed it, is there a minimum amount of days before you can drop into the box to effectlively treat the reason for bleeding...  This horse raced back 5 days off a qualifier which meant he was possibly dropped in the box the day after a qualifier that he finished the last quarter in 33.1

To answer your original question. NO it depends on the state they race in.  Which Is why we need HISA to get all rules the same across the US.