Montishithole Raceway

[Stan durbread]

Only so much you can do with a track with a winter like this. Blame management or the employees all you want but Mother Nature been a bitch this winter

[Bitter Truth]

Please. Are they somehow experiencing a different winter than Nfld, Meadows, Pocono, Saratoga, Buffalo?
I think not. I do think they apparently suck. BIG TIME.

[Harness Racing Revolution]

Please. Are they somehow experiencing a different winter than Nfld, Meadows, Pocono, Saratoga, Buffalo?
I think not. I do think they apparently suck. BIG TIME.

Exactly. First of all every time they scrape the track up there when they lose material it's never replaced. They get right into the base. And because those people can't last a week without racing, they will sacrifice to race one day and pay for it later. Like right now. I was taught by the Coons boys and their old man. Don't think of it as a track, it's a road. And is built the same way. The track is only 3 inches think, the rest is your foundation. Layers of the correct materials compacted evenly. But if you expose it, collapse. Just like a road. And if you try to fill in a pothole or on a track "low spots" you can't expect the same compaction. My bet is last nights rain destroyed whatever it is they did and now there's an even bigger mess. We'll see tomorrow I guess. But it's a shit show. When is the last time you heard of a track losing three weeks and the sun has been out the entire time except for one day?

[Superfecta]

Please. Are they somehow experiencing a different winter than Nfld, Meadows, Pocono, Saratoga, Buffalo?
I think not. I do think they apparently suck. BIG TIME.

Absolutely correct and this winter wasn’t any different than the past 10 years except less snow.

[Stan durbread]

Absolutely correct and this winter wasn’t any different than the past 10 years except less snow.

Really??? This has been the worst winter for most of the eastern coast in 10 years. Not only for snow and ice but for freeze thaw. When it starts to thaw out just before post time you are screwed

[Harness Racing Revolution]

Really??? This has been the worst winter for most of the eastern coast in 10 years. Not only for snow and ice but for freeze thaw. When it starts to thaw out just before post time you are screwed

That's because the track can't rid itself of water. Any decent racetrack can handle it. That track has been stripped to its base, that's not the trackman's fault. It's not a farm track where you have to freeze dry and beat the thaw. They can never ready it for winter with a coarse material and ride out the winter. But come on, three weeks? If it's holding that much moisture they should have shut down and tore it up to expose it.

[Stan durbread]

That's because the track can't rid itself of water. Any decent racetrack can handle it. That track has been stripped to its base, that's not the trackman's fault. It's not a farm track where you have to freeze dry and beat the thaw. They can never ready it for winter with a coarse material and ride out the winter. But come on, three weeks? If it's holding that much moisture they should have shut down and tore it up to expose it.

You have you have a course material to race all winter or it breaks down and turns into mush by spring. Not saying they were not short on material there starting the winter but this winter has been brutal for every trackman. It happens and very few racetracks are set up for a winter like this these days. Northfield races at night which gives them the advantage of catching it as the temperature drops. The other tracks mentioned just started back racing so material isn’t so beat up. Other than the Meadows and Bruce has a big advantage with his material budget over most tracks

[Harness Racing Revolution]

You have you have a course material to race all winter or it breaks down and turns into mush by spring. Not saying they were not short on material there starting the winter but this winter has been brutal for every trackman. It happens and very few racetracks are set up for a winter like this these days. Northfield races at night which gives them the advantage of catching it as the temperature drops. The other tracks mentioned just started back racing so material isn’t so beat up. Other than the Meadows and Bruce has a big advantage with his material budget over most tracks

You have to replace it along the way. As for every track....why only Monticello? Since the day the place started racing year round it's been the same. Never ever this bad. Saratoga goes year round on the main track even not racing it's used and maintained. Not blaming the trackman, I know they don't give him any budget to work with. So now it rained, today another shit show, tonight goes down to 25 then sun and warm tomorrow. What's the over/under on racing?

[Stan durbread]

You have to replace it along the way. As for every track....why only Monticello? Since the day the place started racing year round it's been the same. Never ever this bad. Saratoga goes year round on the main track even not racing it's used and maintained. Not blaming the trackman, I know they don't give him any budget to work with. So now it rained, today another shit show, tonight goes down to 25 then sun and warm tomorrow. What's the over/under on racing?

When did Saratoga start racing year round? 

[Stan durbread]

You have to replace it along the way. As for every track....why only Monticello? Since the day the place started racing year round it's been the same. Never ever this bad. Saratoga goes year round on the main track even not racing it's used and maintained. Not blaming the trackman, I know they don't give him any budget to work with. So now it rained, today another shit show, tonight goes down to 25 then sun and warm tomorrow. What's the over/under on racing?

How many times has Northfield cancelled this year? How about Western Fair,Flamboro or for that matter Mohawk?

[rainman2]

When did Saratoga start racing year round?

Since the horsemen wanted “winter racing” to race for less purse money and increased opportunity to endanger their barns!!

[Bitter Truth]

Nobody is saying it doesn't happen 'HERE OR THERE'  with tracks racing in winter BUT not WEEKS at a time.
No excuse. Powers that be obviously don't give a rat's ass if they race or not.

[Stan durbread]

Since the horsemen wanted “winter racing” to race for less purse money and increased opportunity to endanger their barns!!

You might want to look at race dates before showing how dumb you are

[Stan durbread]

First of all, NYS Gaming has to approve it. Secondly, these people can't afford to walk from their barn to the paddock at MR, who's going to pay for the trip to Yonkers? You think the track that couldn't care less if they race would entertain this? The actual issue is the track. They have no material. Nothing even close to what is necessary to correctly rebuild "not repair" the track they have. Ownership is only concerned with who gets a license in NYC, after that nothing good is going to happen. The backstretch at Monticello is absolutely disgusting. The grandstand is closed. They weren't even answering the phones at the race office this morning. And like Trump told Zelensky, the horsemen have no cards in their hand. Where are Faraldo and Schwartz in all this??? You know the horsemen's association who are there to protect and represent them? It's pushing a month and the truth is no those people cannot absorb this.

Damn I thought I was going to respond to someone else that was illiterate so you couldn’t sue me. What does Faraldo have to do with Monti?? You really can’t be that stupid about the industry you trying to save/destroy

[Bitter Truth]

Miami Valley and Dayton race in daytime.