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Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« on: October 13, 2024, 02:18:49 PM »
No surprise.

https://standardbredcanada.ca/news/10-11-24/karl-stand-stud-2025.html

Interesting that Bowden finalized the deal Sunday morning before the Futurity.....synd ication details and stud fee likely to be released between the Breeders Crown and Harrisburg yearling sale. Also of note, two other breeders are/were owners----Crawford and Bender.

Next is the BC.....so.....doe s he enter? Race?

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2024, 03:20:37 PM »
Been very disappointed in his last few miles.   Not sure if he was sick etc but he doesn't seem to be what I hoped he would be.

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2024, 03:23:43 PM »
I expect him to run in the Breeders Crown, will be interested to see if eliminations are needed. 

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2024, 03:27:13 PM »
Didn't someone here say he will race in the BC and be on Lasix for the first time???

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2024, 04:33:47 PM »
Adam made one of the worst deals he could have ever made by buying this horse.  He won't be as bad as Tall Dark Stranger but he will be a close 2nd.

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2024, 05:55:39 PM »
Adam made one of the worst deals he could have ever made by buying this horse.  He won't be as bad as Tall Dark Stranger but he will be a close 2nd.

Agree

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2024, 06:37:15 PM »
Adam made one of the worst deals he could have ever made by buying this horse.  He won't be as bad as Tall Dark Stranger but he will be a close 2nd.

That depends on what he paid to buy in. It’s not like he doesn’t see what we all see.

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2024, 06:41:26 PM »
Adam made one of the worst deals he could have ever made by buying this horse.  He won't be as bad as Tall Dark Stranger but he will be a close 2nd.
Just add it to the pile
Lather up gotta be the tippy top

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2024, 06:49:37 PM »
It willbe interesting to see how mant breeders will be willing to buck a top producing mare to him.   

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2024, 07:11:55 PM »
It willbe interesting to see how mant breeders will be willing to buck a top producing mare to him.
Ill go ahead and say none
Who would choose him over
Walner
Muscle hill
Chapter seven
International moni
Tactical landing even
Or tactical approach was a much bigger specimen

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2024, 08:32:06 PM »
It willbe interesting to see how mant breeders will be willing to buck a top producing mare to him.

 All of the breeders who are lucky enough to buy into the syndicate will be sending their mares.  More money than brains types.
 The Harris clan etc
We don't need to race, it's the camaraderie & the bond with the horses that makes it special.
 *3 y.o colt has 2 wins so far as a sophomore,  3 starts
 *3 y.o filly has surprised, a win & a 3rd,  3 starts

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2024, 09:01:48 PM »
You people need to get off the crack. To mention International Money in the same post as Karl is an insult to the Horseplop Nation’sintelligence. Then Tactical Approach that made less than 40k as a two year old and lost half his start’s lifetime.

Karl has won 18 of his 22 and been off the board once which was his last which he scoped sick with blood. His first year foals will be the highest average price of any trotting stallion that year. First crop foals are a homerun for breeders and that’s why he will get all the top trotting mares in 2025.

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2024, 09:14:11 PM »
Will he get Jiggy Jog?

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2024, 09:22:14 PM »
Watch how many shares are sold----to commercial breeders!!! And if you know them, ask them how much they paid for their share.

Any commercial breeder who has a mare that can cross to a premier stallion----is not going to breed to Karl. Commercial breeders maximize ROI. Do they want something to offer everyone, every type of buyer? Not for their premier mares. They want to sell well-into-six-figure yearlings! All things being equal, where would you invest your money----a premier stallion or Karl? He's a son of Tactical Landing, who is by Huscle Hill, out of a Varenne mare! You have to go back four generations on the sire side (from TL) to get to----Speedy Somolli, Super Bowl, Baltic Speed, and Speedy Crown. Go look at the mare side----Avalicious is by RC Royalty, out of a Speed In Action mare.

So forget about commercial breeders being backed into a corner. Forget about crosses. Commercial breeders have got plenty of options. Why, because if you want a premier stallion, and you want/need an outcross----you have Walner. If you own one mare----who can go almost anywhere----and you can't afford Walner, sure if Karl is 10k or 15k, you might consider it. But if you have an excellent mare, chances are you've sold some good yearlings and you can afford Walner. Walner can breed a massive community of mares----and he can breed Muscle Hill mares!

I think they overplayed their hand here. It only goes two ways. Either they set the stud fee where it belongs, 10k to 15k max, and they have a good second-tier stallion. They won't make a lot of money, but if he turns out to be a decent stallion, over time, they will make money. The problem is farms don't think "over time" ---- they think one to three years. That's their life-cycle so their entire business model is built around that.

Or, and I think this is more likely, they set the stud fee "artificially" high, say 20k, maybe 25k (which would be a very dangerous move), and they "create"----a very politically correct word for "fabricate"----the market. People look at average(s) and median(s), and yearling buyers are more likely to pay six digits for a yearling where the stud fee is 25k as opposed to 10k. But, the gamble is that commercial breeders won't breed mares to a 25k stallion who is really not a 25k stallion. Hence, the quandary. Will commercial breeders buy into a fabricated stallion/market? In today's day and age?

The X factor here is the BC. If Karl steps up and wins impressively, changes hearts and minds from what they've seen since the Hambo----well, that changes everything as of today. If he gets lucky and the race falls into his lap, he trips out and gets lucky and the rest of the field falls apart, etc.----it's still a BC victory. If he doesn't win, nothing changes.

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Re: Karl To Stand Stud In 2025
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2024, 09:34:31 PM »
He absolutely gets Jiggy Jog she’s a Walner and with Muscle Hill out of juice he’s the only place to go.

 

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