UGH OH - super horse Karl beat

[seen2much]

The greats of years past would be going just as fast as Karl. Better bikes, faster surfaces, good supplements, & better PED's. Karl is a good horse as of now. If he loses a few more I wouldn't be surprised if he is retired. Takter will claim an injury.
Hurricane Kingcole was a very fast horse. When he got looked in the eye the class went by. It will interesting to see what happens the next time Karl is challenged.

[seen2much]

Varenne went 1:51:1 in the Breeders Crown win. He did it easily too. 62 wins at 11 different distances. He is in the conversation of greatest trotter ever.
Muscle Hill won the Hambletonian in 1:50:1. Sears was not asking. He was a beast & I wish he raced at 4.

[rainman2]

Here is a quick view of mack lobell:

Mack Lobell (1984–2016) was a brown racing trotter by Mystic Park out of Matina Hanover by Speedy Count.

He won $3,917,594 during his career and was elected Harness Horse of the Year in 1987 and 1988. Among his many stakes victories were the Yonkers Trot, the Hambletonian, the Elitloppet (twice), the Breeders Crown events for three-year-old and for four-year-old trotters, and the International Trot.[1] His best time of 1:52.1 for the mile was taken as a three-year-old in a race in Springfield, Illinois; this time set the world record for trotters. John Campbell described him as the best horse he has driven.[2]

[Grandstand Handicapper]

This discussion has turned comedic, and foolish. Comparing Karl and Varenne. Come on. Tell me you are going to talk to people in the industry, breeders, bloodstock experts, people who have qualified opinions, and you are going to make a case to-----compare the two? Put Karl on a GOAT list? Make a case that Karl should be considered along side of horses like Varenne, Ourasi, Mack Lobell, Moni Maker, etc.? You would lose all credibility immediately, and you'd never get it back, LOL.

[Third Over]

Stop the "one of the greats" talk.. Karl is Trixton 2.0.. evaluation solved, a very good colt in a mediocre crop.. you're welcome.!!

[JT]

Peace Corps winner of 5.6 million. Winner of World Trotting Derby and Kentucky Futurity against the boys, the Yonkers International Trot being hung out almost the whole mile and a quarter and 4 time breeders crown winner. Winner of the elitlopp and multiple stakes races against the boys in Europe.Voted best 2 year old filly trotter, 3 year old trotter of the year regardless of sex and best older trotting mare at 4,5 and 6. She held multiple track records on all sized tracks for years. The only trotting mare that was in her league was Moni Maker.  Karl couldn't even win a sire stakes final against an average field lol.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Peace Corps winner of 5.6 million. Winner of World Trotting Derby and Kentucky Futurity against the boys, the Yonkers International Trot being hung out almost the whole mile and a quarter and 4 time breeders crown winner. Winner of the elitlopp and multiple stakes races against the boys in Europe.Voted best 2 year old filly trotter, 3 year old trotter of the year regardless of sex and best older trotting mare at 4,5 and 6. She held multiple track records on all sized tracks for years. The only trotting mare that was in her league was Moni Maker.  Karl couldn't even win a sire stakes final against an average field lol.

Peace Corp 152:4 

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Mack Lobell 152:1 

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Moni Maker 152:1 

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Peace Corps winner of 5.6 million. Winner of World Trotting Derby and Kentucky Futurity against the boys, the Yonkers International Trot being hung out almost the whole mile and a quarter and 4 time breeders crown winner. Winner of the elitlopp and multiple stakes races against the boys in Europe.Voted best 2 year old filly trotter, 3 year old trotter of the year regardless of sex and best older trotting mare at 4,5 and 6. She held multiple track records on all sized tracks for years. The only trotting mare that was in her league was Moni Maker.  Karl couldn't even win a sire stakes final against an average field lol.

4-time BC winner....4 times!

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Mack Lobell can't hold on off a half in 57.2 in March Of Dimes. Mile goes in 155:1 What a super horse!!

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Manchego, Mission Brief and Atlanta would have destroyed Peace Corp and Moni Maker.

[dougie]

I wish I could debate who's the GOAT, but it's hard to really say definitively who that would be. I'm not sure time is the only "decider" since so much has changed since many of these great trotters have raced. But I think that it's a interesting discussion.

[rainman2]

Mack Lobell can't hold on off a half in 57.2 in March Of Dimes. Mile goes in 155:1 What a super horse!!

Which horses have more accomplishments on their resumes?

Win times are irrelevant as these superior horses raced 35 years ago!

ENOUGH SAID

[Chips N Salsa]

Mack Lobell 152:1 

Just curious what kinda of bias you give to a racebike?  Karl can't beat 50.3 in a bike that is far in a way lightyrs ahead of the wood Gerald non quick hitch that Mack toted around.