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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2024, 08:22:19 PM »
Like we've seen many times before, this colt was light years ahead of the entire crop----except for TCI----as a 2yo. He "looks" like a man against boys, many lengths better than the rest, etc., and often it's very misleading. Then, like we've seen almost every single time, in this case, as a 3yo, the rest of the class, and some newcomers, simply got better, matured, and started to catch up to him, etc. Couple that with this colt having some problems, and next thing you know what visually appeared to be a super horse who some people will say is one of the greatest of all time, is not super at all and certainly not anywhere near a GOAT list. But, you can't take away from him what he has accomplished----regardless of luck, trip, weak crop/performance, and so forth. The trophies got handed to the connections and the checks clear, and that's what counts. Doesn't make him a GOAT, but still.

If you are going to label a horse as being one of GOAT then you can only judge them on what they've done to date, and the others on the list will be judged on what they did their entire career. Potential doesn't get you onto a GOAT list. Regardless, this colt has no business being on any GOAT list and won't appear on any expert's GOAT list. Go ask Bob Marks, or who you feel is qualified as an expert. Put this colt on a GOAT list and they'll laugh at you.

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2024, 08:29:49 PM »
Who has ever put Karl on a GOAT list? His history has yet to be written. Once again...Karl will be remembered as the greatest trotter of all time.

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2024, 08:30:42 PM »
Michelle  is very easy to root against

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2024, 08:38:42 PM »
He had a perfect trip, left a little AND GIVEN A HOLE, .!!!!  Very lucky to salvage third.  Stud fee dropped $5,000 and if he doesn’t step up it isn’t going to be pretty. 

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2024, 08:43:28 PM »
He had a perfect trip, left a little AND GIVEN A HOLE, .!!!!  Very lucky to salvage third.  Stud fee dropped $5,000 and if he doesn’t step up it isn’t going to be pretty.

5k? What did you think his stud fee would have been before this?

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2024, 08:44:08 PM »
Like we've seen many times before, this colt was light years ahead of the entire crop----except for TCI----as a 2yo. He "looks" like a man against boys, many lengths better than the rest, etc., and often it's very misleading. Then, like we've seen almost every single time, in this case, as a 3yo, the rest of the class, and some newcomers, simply got better, matured, and started to catch up to him, etc. Couple that with this colt having some problems, and next thing you know what visually appeared to be a super horse who some people will say is one of the greatest of all time, is not super at all and certainly not anywhere near a GOAT list. But, you can't take away from him what he has accomplished----regardless of luck, trip, weak crop/performance, and so forth. The trophies got handed to the connections and the checks clear, and that's what counts. Doesn't make him a GOAT, but still.

If you are going to label a horse as being one of GOAT then you can only judge them on what they've done to date, and the others on the list will be judged on what they did their entire career. Potential doesn't get you onto a GOAT list. Regardless, this colt has no business being on any GOAT list and won't appear on any expert's GOAT list. Go ask Bob Marks, or who you feel is qualified as an expert. Put this colt on a GOAT list and they'll laugh at you.

Very well put

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2024, 08:45:09 PM »
Who has ever put Karl on a GOAT list? His history has yet to be written. Once again...Karl will be remembered as the greatest trotter of all time.

His history better come quick because he has 4-maybe 5 starts left in his life!

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2024, 09:43:52 PM »
This horse isn't in the top 20 greatest of all time.  he races against no one and get beat by different horses each time.  wait till kismet comes to lex and trots by him like he's tied to a post.  kismet will absolutely jerk his bridle off the rest of the year.

im pretty sure Muscle Hill, Mack Lobell, and Atlanta would regularly beat Karl. The other 3 as aged showed way more grit and determination than Karl has...did the 3yo f go as fast tonight as he did.

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2024, 09:45:43 PM »
Once again, I said half of the horses listed were not as good as Karl at 3. Muscle Hill, Mack and Atlanta were. Sebastian, Manchego and Jiggy Jog were not.

Karl has now been beaten by two run of the mill 3yos in Tony Adams and Dame Good Time

the 4 some of Atlanta, Manchego, Plunge Blue Chip and Phateosive would regular score wins over Karl

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2024, 09:47:06 PM »
Date night would beat Karl if she raced him

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2024, 09:49:27 PM »
do you really think we see Karl taking on Jiggy Jog in the TVG Series

so Karl is going to have what....2 starts at Red Mile and 2 at the Big M for BC and thats probably it.

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2024, 09:57:06 PM »
Why is this subject rehashed over and over again. He is a good horse, but will not be remembered as the GOAT except by people with no knowledge of the sport.. and yes I know his history isn't yet written.. but he is nowhere near greatest as a 3 year old. Peace Corps was 16 of 19 as a 3 year old and won the Kentucky Futurity,World trotting derby against the boys and the breeders crown. I loved Manchego and Atlanta but they are not as great as her.. Furthermore John Campbell who is the GOAT said the best horse he ever drove was Mack Lobell.

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2024, 10:06:09 PM »
Why is this subject rehashed over and over again. He is a good horse, but will not be remembered as the GOAT except by people with no knowledge of the sport.. and yes I know his history isn't yet written.. but he is nowhere near greatest as a 3 year old. Peace Corps was 16 of 19 as a 3 year old and won the Kentucky Futurity,World trotting derby against the boys and the breeders crown. I loved Manchego and Atlanta but they are not as great as her.. Furthermore John Campbell who is the GOAT said the best horse he ever drove was Mack Lobell.

FYI, both Peace Corps and Mack Lobell won big races on 1/2 mile and 5/8-mile tracks too!

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2024, 10:42:02 PM »
do you really think we see Karl taking on Jiggy Jog in the TVG Series

so Karl is going to have what....2 starts at Red Mile and 2 at the Big M for BC and thats probably it.

He's barely holding on against his own class. I can't imagine they'll want to race against elders. Jiggy Jog? Thanks for the laugh. LOL.

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Re: UGH OH - super horse Karl beat
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2024, 10:52:24 PM »
5k? What did you think his stud fee would have been before this?
Of course it would have depended on the rest of his season. Had he won out $40 to $50,000.  Right now he is just another very nice horse.  Today he lost more value than he would gain with a BC win. 

 

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