When does vernon downs open and---

[rainman2]

if you have been paying attention-Gural keeps asking the state of NY for handouts or he threatens to close the place-citing losses on the horse racing side of the business

imagine a facility with a casino still asking for help

that's Vernon

Please give Gural credit!!

If the State of New York keeps giving him the money, whose fault is it!!

[Papillon]

Please give Gural credit!!

If the State of New York keeps giving him the money, whose fault is it!!

Sorry, not a fan of Gural and his amateur driver races,camel and ostrich races, and corn contests two days week racing at M1....and crying poor mouse all year round. Not to mention his selective barring of drug trainers, yet allowing other drug trainers to race at M1 whenever convenient for him.

Some like the guy, some don't.

[rainman2]

From occasionally going there to watch my horses race and comments from my trainer….

Reason why VD is a good place
1. Great track to teach babies speed ,(finish them off).
2. No stall rent
3. Great hay in area for reasonable price.
4. Grooms quarters that are very reasonable.
5. Centrally located if you have N Y breds.
6. Beautiful views and clean air.
7. Lots of golf courses
8. Great fishing


Reasons why VD is not good.
1. Purse structure.
2. Races go fast for size of purse.
3. Club House not open for dining  (casino there has very good food)
4. Facility is generally in state of disrepair. Not unlike most tracks.
5. Low handle so a decent bet destroys the odds.

Overall the place and area is horse and people friendly . Purses big drawback.

George Ducharme trains at Vernon and he has mostly Massachusetts Sires Stakes horses and he might have a few NYSS horses too. He can race maiden races at Vernon ( paid qualifiers) for a learning experiences before hitting the sires stake trail. A good price to pay if things workout with a good horse or 2.

[CMJAnew]

if you have been paying attention-Gural keeps asking the state of NY for handouts or he threatens to close the place-citing losses on the horse racing side of the business

imagine a facility with a casino still asking for help

that's Vernon

Vernon has a SLOTS PARLOR in a sea of CASINOS. And, if he wanted it closed he could just accept the tax increases as the lower tax deal expires (as it has before). Instead, he gets the NY legislature and governor to actually use common sense (very rare in government) and he keeps a couple hundred or so folks employed.

[Stan durbread]

if you have been paying attention-Gural keeps asking the state of NY for handouts or he threatens to close the place-citing losses on the horse racing side of the business

imagine a facility with a casino still asking for help

that's Vernon
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Imagine owning a casino where the state let another open 15 miles away and gave them all the tax breaks. Don’t be a moron. He is fighting for equal treatment

[batavia24]

Say what you want but its always been a pleasure to race at Vernon/Tioga 15yrs of racing never a problem As opposed to that SHITHOLE Buffalo Raceway which should have been condemned  Did they get their playbook from 1930s Germany?Erie Co Fair hahaha gdamn hypocrites

[Janny]

Great track to train young trotters on and to ship out on race day when not racing in Stakes’ races there. Was too bad when Homer and Verlin moved on.

[Parked]

I predict they cancel racing days due to lack of entries or reduce racing days . Too many other tracks available with far better purses

Qualifiers Saturday.  14 races.  Over 100 in the box. 

[rainman2]

Loved Vernon back in the day, they still race horses there?

The bigger track version of Monticello with similar purse money!!!

[Yonkers1A]

Did Vernon get a track veterinarian I heard at least 3 turned it down

[Parked]

15 races.  6 fields of 9, 7 of 8 and 2 of 7 .. 

Vet ??   60 horses on lasix, not a bad 2 hrs work. 

Think I’ll take a ride up.   

[rainman2]

15 races.  6 fields of 9, 7 of 8 and 2 of 7 .. 

Vet ??   60 horses on lasix, not a bad 2 hrs work. 

Think I’ll take a ride up.   

Can you get PIGLAND the farrier’s job too. Make it worthwhile for the both of you.

[Parked]

I miss Pigland.   

[Bitter Truth]

Rainman2 doesn't

[rainman2]

I miss Pigland.

Some do and some don’t!