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Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« on: March 24, 2024, 10:27:39 AM »
Fourteen Horses Scratched last night at Buffalo Raceway. Shawn McDonough horses scratched, Russell Bratt beard for Steve Kiblin horses scratched. Pending Positives? What does scratched PSN mean?

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2024, 10:30:51 AM »
Personal ?

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2024, 11:18:18 AM »
transportation scratches due to snow

do not know what PSN means

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2024, 11:28:10 AM »
Personal, sure it was weather or track.

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2024, 01:16:23 PM »
How about the 6th race ex, 18 to 1 wins, 8 to 1 runs 2nd, $2 exacta pays only $69. That should paid minimum $175. Guess everyone in the barns had it. I’m guessing McDonough and bratt/ kiblin got positives and were told their horses would be scratched. They are no strangers to getting positives over the years.

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2024, 01:59:53 PM »
How about the 6th race ex, 18 to 1 wins, 8 to 1 runs 2nd, $2 exacta pays only $69. That should paid minimum $175. Guess everyone in the barns had it. I’m guessing McDonough and bratt/ kiblin got positives and were told their horses would be scratched. They are no strangers to getting positives over the years.

the facts are the guys in Lexington who can bet after the bell saw the lineup..1-2 and pounded that exacta box

no brainer

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2024, 02:19:50 PM »
No brainer ? If you know the exacta was a lock 1,2 , then you bet the tri using all, the favorite ran 3rd. Tri paid $824 for $2, that was the no brainer.

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2024, 02:26:41 PM »
No brainer ? If you know the exacta was a lock 1,2 , then you bet the tri using all, the favorite ran 3rd. Tri paid $824 for $2, that was the no brainer.

duh, the Lexington guys look for lineups after they see what happens in the first 10 seconds or so then they bet

they don't bet trifectas

don't put words in my mouth

nobody said they knew the 1-2 exacta was a "lock"

these guys just look for lineups and bet after they see it

sometimes they win-sometimes they lose

but they  have a massive advantage
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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2024, 02:36:50 PM »
Don’t know about these so called Lexington guys, but I should would rather make $824 for every $2 bet than a $2 ex for $69.  Especially if they know it was a lock 1,2 ex so u say. Whatever.

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2024, 02:38:38 PM »
Don’t know about these so called Lexington guys, but I should would rather make $824 for every $2 bet than a $2 ex for $69.  Especially if they know it was a lock 1,2 ex so u say. Whatever.

once again--nobody said they knew it was a lock

obviously you aren't very bright

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2024, 02:41:09 PM »
Blah, blah, blah, is your name Todd cause I think you are a retodd

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2024, 04:37:59 PM »
Takes lots of inside information and betting after the bell to catch a 1/2 exacta at Buffalo. Lmaof

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2024, 05:54:09 PM »
Takes lots of inside information and betting after the bell to catch a 1/2 exacta at Buffalo. Lmaof

I understand the numbers were 1-2...but that doesn't explain the $2 exacta paying $69 for a $2 bet with the winner at 18/1 and the 2nd finisher 8/1

they both blasted the gate, the guys at Lexington, who are allowed  access after the race starts- saw it and played
the 1/2 exacta box

this has been going on for years

they all trace back to Lexington

just search the threads here from years ago

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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2024, 06:35:32 PM »
the facts are the guys in Lexington who can bet after the bell saw the lineup..1-2 and pounded that exacta box

no brainer
ngc3 ngc3

Yeah, and the leader of that Lexington group is Bigfoot.


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Re: Why So Many Horses Scratched At Buffalo Raceway
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2024, 06:49:10 PM »
by Garnet Barnsdale  Jan 20

It didn’t take long for social media to light up following the 7th race at The Raceway at Western Fair Wednesday night (Jan. 16) when a $46 winner produced only a $43.60 exacta payoff when combined with the 9-1 fifth choice in the seven-horse race.

There were the predictable posts that suggested it was “barn money” or “inside information” that suppressed the payoff, and to their credit, The Raceway’s management got in front of the issue by contacting both the Alcohol and Gaming Commission of Ontario (AGCO) and the Canadian Pari-Mutuel Agency (CPMA) to investigate the wagering patterns for the race and the origin of the winning tickets.

Evidence showed that the bulk of the winning tickets were sold at a tote hub in Kentucky that has been the location of similar incidences in the past. Prior investigations showed no evidence of collusion or anyone driving in a questionable manner in that race, and The Raceway’s management indicated that they are continuing to look into this instance and supporting the regulators in investigating this situation to the fullest extent required.

So, what happened then? Looking at the exacta pool probables, adding in some information provided in tweets regarding the time the bets were placed and looking at the race replay, this is what I pieced together:

Based on a tweet by Twitter regular and Advance Deposit Wagering company Twinspires employee Ed Derosa, the big bet on the winning 4-2 combination — likely in the $150 to $200 range when the pool size of $4,007 and the 26 per cent takeout rate is considered — was made in the final eight seconds of the wagering period. There were similar bets made on all combinations involving the 2, 4 and 5 horses, who left first, second and third off the gate.

It makes sense to conclude then, that the Kentuckians making these bets are watching to see which horses are leaving the gate and hammering the combinations involving those three horses at the absolute last second before wagering gets cut off.

I watched the replay a few times to see if that theory had any merit and it certainly does depending on when betting gets cut off and raises some questions. In this particular race it is very obvious just before the start that the horses leaving from posts 1 and 3 have no interest in leaving, but the 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 horses are all relatively even. There would be no reason at that point to rush to hammer a 2-4-5 exacta box.

When the horses hit the wire for the first time, however, the 2, 4 and 5 are three-abreast and well clear of the rest of the field. So the $64,000 question here is what is the exact time that wagering is cut off at The Raceway? Because, if it’s when the first horse touches the wire, which would make sense because you would assume that is when the race starts getting timed, someone waiting until the last second can have an advantage on a ˝-mile track where speed typically rules and an edge could certainly be gained in this particular race. The flip side of that is, they don’t always finish the way they line up at the start, and in cases where the top three get split for the exacta, the other winning bettors likely get an overlaid exacta payoff. In this case, had the 7 horse Adventure Ahead got up for third, the lucky holder of a $1 exacta ticket would have scooped the entire pool for three grand. I imagine in that case, no one would even notice or mention the heavy betting on the losing combinations.

If this incident is still being investigated as was reported, what needs to happen is the discovery of how late these Kentucky bettors can punch tickets. If the current system allows for bets to be made until the first horse touches the wire after the gate leaves, that loop needs to be closed and betting cut off a few seconds earlier when all seven horses are still in a line so that all bettors get a fair shake no matter when they placed their bets.

 

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