Per Engblom

[Generation XYZ]

i feel bad for PER..

hes a good guy..

he didnt deserve this..

"Good Guy" did a bad thing.

[LUCPARK]

"Good Guy" did a bad thing.

 

I TRULY BELIEVE ITS A HUMAN ERROR

[Meadow Ford]

So now the USless TA wants us to pay to find out who has been a bad boy and who has people in higher places.

There is no charge for Rulings/fines and suspensions on Pathway.

[Par Four]

Why don't we just allow the trainers use anything they want and add it to the program. If they find something not disclosed then the get busted. That way the bettors and other horsemen know the full picture before the race.

It would take 2 pages for each race with the extra info

[toothman]

and maybe a fine for peeing in a stall.

[wizardofoz]

 

I TRULY BELIEVE ITS A HUMAN ERROR

It was an ERROR to put those drugs into the horse! Excuses, excuses, excuses by these cheaters that once caught have NO idea how it happened. WHAT?!  Drugs are stored in pharmacies. Only LICENSED health care providers, be it a pharmacist or a doctor of sorts, can LEGALLY dispense and order these drugs.  A horse trainer has NO business in having ANY drug in their possession, be it in their trucks, homes, stalls, barns, etc.!

[Parked]

It was an ERROR to put those drugs into the horse! Excuses, excuses, excuses by these cheaters that once caught have NO idea how it happened. WHAT?!  Drugs are stored in pharmacies. Only LICENSED health care providers, be it a pharmacist or a doctor of sorts, can LEGALLY dispense and order these drugs.  A horse trainer has NO business in having ANY drug in their possession, be it in their trucks, homes, stalls, barns, etc.!

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[Stan durbread]

You people really seem to think horse trainers and veterinarians are stupid. No shot they are using one of the most commonly prescribed pain killers on their horses. There are literally thousands of drugs out there that haven’t made it through the FDA process or failed it. The labs have no test for them and with the right connections they can easily slip out the back door of a drug company. This was happening lots when the authorities first got onto EPO. Per’s connections are not going with common easy to test for drugs

[Stan durbread]

My comment had nothing to do with a TCO2 positive. Only 1 way to get one is with baking soda. The cheapest prerace around. On of Burke’s employees got a little overboard on the recipe or the horse was dehydrated. Plain and simple. When I take my random drug test for work they don’t do TCO2 tests but they do have levels for all the commonly prescribed medications

[Generation XYZ]

If they test the urine you might end up being the sire in a dna test.

  theres a first

[Stan durbread]

It makes no sense to use baking soda on a horse racing at the lowest level at The Meadows. You can say what you want about Burke but he did not build his operation to be the largest by far in all of harness racing by being stupid.

Random positives out of 0.0009 of the starts by a trainer is not the smoking gun. If those were the drugs the trainer was using there would be positives all over the place.

As someone who takes a number of prescription drugs every day, I can tell you I have found a few on the floor over the years. It happens. Everyone is looking in the wrong place.

“Because the bicarbonate [in the horse’s blood] is a physiological response to different factors, I don’t see how it can directly influence other factors,” said Sams. “For example, it is not going to be able to suppress the formation of lactate ion from lactic acid. The lactic acid is a byproduct of anaerobic metabolism of glucose. That’s what happens during the race.”

My have obviously never dealt with old racehorses

[Parked]

It makes no sense to use baking soda on a horse racing at the lowest level at The Meadows. You can say what you want about Burke but he did not build his operation to be the largest by far in all of harness racing by being stupid.

Random positives out of 0.0009 of the starts by a trainer is not the smoking gun. If those were the drugs the trainer was using there would be positives all over the place.

As someone who takes a number of prescription drugs every day, I can tell you I have found a few on the floor over the years. It happens. Everyone is looking in the wrong place.

“Because the bicarbonate [in the horse’s blood] is a physiological response to different factors, I don’t see how it can directly influence other factors,” said Sams. “For example, it is not going to be able to suppress the formation of lactate ion from lactic acid. The lactic acid is a byproduct of anaerobic metabolism of glucose. That’s what happens during the race.”

And the horses you own with Burke are……………………

[rainman2]

I am just a fan. My post is not about Burke, he is an example. Most of the positives are meaningless. What they are doing is diverting attention from the real issue which is the things not being tested for. Most of the things I see positives for are not impacting performance. For example, there is no way a big trainer is going to be milk shaking a low level claimer.

Ban Lasix and maybe some of the positives will have some meaning.

 Banning Lasix was done until New York State was the last state to Allow its use!  Everyone knew what would happen when they allowed lasix—-coverup of other drugs?  I’m going to ask my trainer what would happen if you took every racehorse off lasix?  Professional trainers and educated horsemen please answer this!  Not the wannabes here that know all the answers!  Thank you

[Mailbox Money]

I am just a fan. My post is not about Burke, he is an example. Most of the positives are meaningless. What they are doing is diverting attention from the real issue which is the things not being tested for. Most of the things I see positives for are not impacting performance. For example, there is no way a big trainer is going to be milk shaking a low level claimer.

Ban Lasix and maybe some of the positives will have some meaning.

Banning Lasix would create a problem by contributing to the already stressed aftercare programs i.m.o.! I understand that every horse on Lasix is not a certified bleeder,but by Banning the long time go-to will create a new one by another name. The number of positives will also climb when the experimentation begins. I think that rather than just using a needle to prevent it,there needs to be a feed supplement or something similar. If we eliminate the needles we can control what goes into the needle!

[hoosierboy]

Contenation  is the latest excuse that can’t be traced.  Just like years ago with cocaine on tongue ties