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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #60 on: September 26, 2023, 07:53:10 AM »
The potent M99 is once again alive, tweaked and has resurfaced. Wake up the boyz are 5yrs ahead of detection.!!

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« Reply #61 on: September 26, 2023, 09:07:39 AM »
Baseball is a great analogy. Just think of how many ball players grew up dreaming of playing MLB and when they finally got their chance, the only way they could make it was by putting junk into their body just to keep up with the other cheaters. Some did but many wouldn't compromise their integrity or their health and ended up out of the game after dedicating their life to making it. Their are many similarities between the honest horseman(yes, believe me, there are some) and the clean ball player. I don't know any baseball players but I know quite a few horsemen that were forced out of harness racing because they wouldn't cheat. Very sad.
Yes, there were definitely many. But it wasn't only the ones who wouldn't cheat, many COULDN"T cheat. No awareness of what was out there, who to contact for it or how to administer it. on top of it, many could not properly rig, train, shoe or feed. many were going through motions, barely winning, making carnival wages for years. Let's face it, a guy like Ross Croghan was a notorious cheater and he taught literally dozens. Many highly successful big time winners, but at the same time the guy could flat out train a fucking Standardbred. Like an Arod - was gonna hit lotsa homers clean, with drugs was just gonna hit more.

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« Reply #62 on: September 26, 2023, 09:11:58 AM »
I was never a trainer but I regularly wonder how difficult the job has become. It’s not just about the hours, travel, vet costs, feed, supplements etc that causes me to pause. It is what goes through a trainer’s mind knowing he is at such a huge disadvantage trying to win against the chemists and the tracks that allow it to continue. It reminds me of the heavy steroid era in baseball. At first it wasn’t about building body mass and strength. It was about using steroids to heal from injuries a lot faster. That really wasn’t so bad under the right conditions. But once companies like Balco started promoting these drugs as performance enhancing that’s when the game went to hell. Is this what happened to harness racing too? I don’t know but the dirty trainers have just killed the sport.
Cheating and looking for that edge has gone on since Church going people raced each other back to their farms from Sunday services. Probably gores back to biblical times. This last go around was a perfect storm. State testing was underfunded and sub par. Money available to the cheats. The more you cheat the more money they give you. Corruption on every level of the game. And, when they finally have solid evidence of doping, the Commissions refuse to continue the investigation because, the state will not fund a prosecution. Add in the ownership of racetracks are happy to give you the rope to hang yourself. But you still cheat because nobody cares. 
 Trainers are getting theirs, owners are getting theirs. Vets are getting their end. Drug manufacturers and their sales force are getting theirs.
The only people who are screaming thief, are the people that nobody listens to. The get dismissed as incompetent, behind the times, lazy and looser.
 I don't care if you arrest convict and impression 100 more, cheating will always be there.
If you see some recent posts from 'ittle Nicky of Facebook, he acts like a man without a care in the world. I don't know, maybe his Lawyers have some influence in that. What is amazing is the horse people who all respond with praise and encouragement, to this low life scumbag rat bastard. Again , I do have a suspicion that is the play his lawyers are looking for. This mutt, keeps playing everyone for fools.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #63 on: September 26, 2023, 09:40:14 AM »
You guys are lousy at reading comprehension. I never said Allard was a great guy, but he took his medicine like a man. Nicky is blowing his fortune on legal bills for appeals and informing on people.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #64 on: September 26, 2023, 09:45:09 AM »
I get your point. Yes, he is doing the time.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #65 on: September 26, 2023, 09:53:28 AM »
You guys are lousy at reading comprehension. I never said Allard was a great guy, but he took his medicine like a man. Nicky is blowing his fortune on legal bills for appeals and informing on people.
I know how I feel and I think what others feel from their comments that responded to you. Allard is a piece of crap. There is no reason to say anything remotely positive about him including whether he took his time in prison well or not. He deserved much more prison time. He should never ever be allowed anywhere near another race horse nor be associated with anyone honest in the industry. Whether you meant it or not your post sounded near sympathetic towards Allard for being a good boy in prison. Just understand from my perspective this is not an attack on you but you did hit a nerve with many who read your post. By the way our reading comprehension skills are just fine.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #66 on: September 26, 2023, 11:23:16 AM »
Allard is horse killing scum but did not add "RAT" to his resume. I hope it is worth it for Nick (not).

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« Reply #67 on: September 26, 2023, 11:29:41 AM »
And i believe guys like Allard and Oakes will be back in action in some capacity, licensed or not, the morning after they walk out of prison. In fact, they probably are now. It's all a joke and like a poster said you could lock up 100 guys today - very little will change. When is the last time, a horse that could function raced "right out of the feed tub" and nothing else?

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2023, 11:40:07 AM »
To Counselor:

How can the courts rely on what Surick may tell them now after he lied earlier?

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2023, 11:51:42 AM »
Worse thing that ever happened for the standardbred breed was linkage with casino $. Normal societal and business levers that influence the success of industry no longer apply.

Normally customers walking away from business would forces changes attempting to reacquire customers to  restore profitability. Not happening anymore since there really are no longer customers.This really isnt an industry anymore. And horse health has suffered greatly as a result.
 

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2023, 12:06:29 PM »
Cheating and looking for that edge has gone on since Church going people raced each other back to their farms from Sunday services. Probably gores back to biblical times. This last go around was a perfect storm. State testing was underfunded and sub par. Money available to the cheats. The more you cheat the more money they give you. Corruption on every level of the game. And, when they finally have solid evidence of doping, the Commissions refuse to continue the investigation because, the state will not fund a prosecution. Add in the ownership of racetracks are happy to give you the rope to hang yourself. But you still cheat because nobody cares. 
 Trainers are getting theirs, owners are getting theirs. Vets are getting their end. Drug manufacturers and their sales force are getting theirs.
The only people who are screaming thief, are the people that nobody listens to. The get dismissed as incompetent, behind the times, lazy and looser.
 I don't care if you arrest convict and impression 100 more, cheating will always be there.
If you see some recent posts from 'ittle Nicky of Facebook, he acts like a man without a care in the world. I don't know, maybe his Lawyers have some influence in that. What is amazing is the horse people who all respond with praise and encouragement, to this low life scumbag rat bastard. Again , I do have a suspicion that is the play his lawyers are looking for. This mutt, keeps playing everyone for fools.

 tmbz1 Great post

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #71 on: September 26, 2023, 12:50:31 PM »
 Dead nuts on point! tmbz1

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #72 on: September 26, 2023, 02:50:53 PM »
Jail is one thing. Large financial penalties to the trainer & owners are needed too. There would still be some that cheat. The logic being the Feds will go away & business will be back to normal.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #73 on: September 26, 2023, 04:18:49 PM »
Jail is one thing. Large financial penalties to the trainer & owners are needed too. There would still be some that cheat. The logic being the Feds will go away & business will be back to normal.
Commissions need to stop with suspensions. There is always a beard to step in when someone gets one. The way to deter cheating is huge fines. Your horse comes up positive..First offense 10g's. No suspension. Second offense..25g's. No suspension. Third offense...50g's. No suspension. Fourth offense...100g's. No suspension. HOWEVER. Until fine is paid. all horses on trainers roster are not allowed to race until fine is paid. No transferring trainer until fine is paid.

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Re: Nick Surick
« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2023, 04:24:19 PM »
Commissions need to stop with suspensions. There is always a beard to step in when someone gets one. The way to deter cheating is huge fines. Your horse comes up positive..First offense 10g's. No suspension. Second offense..25g's. No suspension. Third offense...50g's. No suspension. Fourth offense...100g's. No suspension. HOWEVER. Until fine is paid. all horses on trainers roster are not allowed to race until fine is paid. No transferring trainer until fine is paid.
Yeah but you and i could each name 100 owners who could come up with that money in a heartbeat, if the trainer couldn't.

 

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