Marks

[London]

Did he fall off the face of the earth..

[ferdinand the bull]

Did he fall off the face of the earth..

No just an alias from another planet

[MCR]

Here is another horsemen who had tons of talent yet couldn't control himself.  Guy could drive a horse and man can he train one.  Also pretty good at lighting one up.  What's he up to now a days?? And I'm sorry stupid question but what exactly did he do again that led to his suspension/barred from harness racing

[Superfecta]

Here is another horsemen who had tons of talent yet couldn't control himself.  Guy could drive a horse and man can he train one.  Also pretty good at lighting one up.  What's he up to now a days?? And I'm sorry stupid question but what exactly did he do again that led to his suspension/barred from harness racing

He cheated BETTER than the other cheats so he got banded. They must have cried the same way they did when they couldn't beat Lou Pena's horses.

[MCR]

The way Pena went down was absolute bull shit. Not a single positive not ONE. got him just off of vet records and rule violations. Bull shit!!! Whatever Pena's secret was he has clearly forgot or can't get anymore.  Man he could light a horse up

[toothman]

Is there a test for EPO?

[MCR]

Yes it's a out of competition test.  The detection is 48 or 72 hours after it's administered

[Hawkeye Gambler]

The way Pena went down was absolute bull shit. Not a single positive not ONE. got him just off of vet records and rule violations. Bull shit!!! Whatever Pena's secret was he has clearly forgot or can't get anymore.  Man he could light a horse up

What’s bullshit about it? Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. He cheated and was punished. Simple. No different than Rick Dutrow. If you don’t want a suspension, follow the rules.

[MCR]

What’s bullshit about it? Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. He cheated and was punished. Simple. No different than Rick Dutrow. If you don’t want a suspension, follow the rules.

Did they pull vet records on every trainer or just Pena? Yep exactly....

[Hawkeye Gambler]

Does not matter. Do they test every horse. Biggest cheater could be 0 for 30. Are you that big a fool?

[Harness racer]

Did they pull vet records on every trainer or just Pena? Yep exactly....

Win at almost 40% for 2 years and you get the special attention you deserve.

[MCR]

Win at almost 40% for 2 years and you get the special attention you deserve.

Agreed but also from what I remember all medications were within guidelines therefore no positives.   Obviously we know with Pena he had something.  Have you ever thought maybe just maybe one trainer is better than another without chemicals?

[remington]

No there is no trainer better than another without chemicals or better drugs.

[MCR]

No there is no trainer better than another without chemicals or better drugs.

I definitely disagree with you on that

[PIGLAND]

i would like to see a race chemical free