Post Position Resolution suggested to USTA

[MeadowMacho]

Wow! I always enjoy Wiggles positive posts.

[PurpleSheetPicks]

Among the 10 or so ideas that the Dist. 1 board reviewed last w/e is a suggestion to allow horses that draw outside to draw inside in their next race from a random draw for post 1 - 5.  Conversely, horses w/ an inside post will draw outside in their next race from a random draw for posts 6 - 10.  About time there's a procedure in place instead of constantly penalizing horses by using the lo-tech / no-tech algorithm program of the USTA.  It's certain that horses on the outside are dramatically disadvantaged.  If there's a genuine basis to work toward fairness for all of the horses, well - why do they even need to debate it?  This logic is so overdue that it really oughta be set to motion tomorrow !

i was at a district meeting
we shot this down faster than any other rule change talked about
in face we went as far as to ask why people still even brought it up its ridicoulous

[Equus Caballus]

The reason it is brought up is the fact that many including myself think that at times, the draw is rigged. Ask some people that race at Yonkers and get back to me.

Yes there was the fact that Banca kept drawing the 1-4 at an unbelievable clip

[caddy]

Caddy  ...   With your data from a year, what was the final % 1 - 5  vs  6 - 10 ?

on the horse that I actually recorded pp on for better than a year .. his avg. post position was a 7.

[caddy]

i was at a district meeting
we shot this down faster than any other rule change talked about
in face we went as far as to ask why people still even brought it up its ridicoulous

if you're so inflexible and disinterested on debating toward the betterment of the sport -- you're not doing a representative job.  So ?  why bother to not serve?  You call RIDICULOUS <>  what's ridiculous is continuing a flawed system ... and it is flawed ..  if you don't understand technology - or - have some craving to cling to an out of date methodology -- your time has passed by

[Franky]

i was at a district meeting
we shot this down faster than any other rule change talked about
in face we went as far as to ask why people still even brought it up its ridicoulous

purple it doesn't surprise me that you guys would look at it as ridiculous. it's a fair subject consider the other bullshit that the usta does and doesn't do. the usta has trouble trying to vote on which scent of toilet paper to buy. gimme a fucking break!

[PurpleSheetPicks]

if you're so inflexible and disinterested on debating toward the betterment of the sport -- you're not doing a representative job.  So ?  why bother to not serve?  You call RIDICULOUS <>  what's ridiculous is continuing a flawed system ... and it is flawed ..  if you don't understand technology - or - have some craving to cling to an out of date methodology -- your time has passed by

there is 1000000000 more important things than this to worry about

[PurpleSheetPicks]

if you're so inflexible and disinterested on debating toward the betterment of the sport -- you're not doing a representative job.  So ?  why bother to not serve?  You call RIDICULOUS <>  what's ridiculous is continuing a flawed system ... and it is flawed ..  if you don't understand technology - or - have some craving to cling to an out of date methodology -- your time has passed by

i do the draws at the tracks...its not flawed

[PurpleSheetPicks]

Remember you heard it here first. Why not have everyone bet via a program number (chosen alphabetically maybe). Freeze betting. Let actual final odds appear on the tote so no one can accuse of past posting. THEN have an open draw in front of the public for post positions, and then start the race.

Intetesting idea but pps are part of handicapping

[PurpleSheetPicks]

Among the 10 or so ideas that the Dist. 1 board reviewed last w/e is a suggestion to allow horses that draw outside to draw inside in their next race from a random draw for post 1 - 5.  Conversely, horses w/ an inside post will draw outside in their next race from a random draw for posts 6 - 10.  About time there's a procedure in place instead of constantly penalizing horses by using the lo-tech / no-tech algorithm program of the USTA.  It's certain that horses on the outside are dramatically disadvantaged.  If there's a genuine basis to work toward fairness for all of the horses, well - why do they even need to debate it?  This logic is so overdue that it really oughta be set to motion tomorrow !

Seriously,  did you not get to lead the line enough in elementary school? It all evens out
Why create a problem where their isnt one?

[caddy]

Seriously,  did you not get to lead the line enough in elementary school? It all evens out
Why create a problem where their isnt one?

HAHAHA > Truthfully!  I hated leading the line for fear I might forget the route to the cafeteria !

 In seriousness - you've listened to the untrue blather that it all evens out - shame on you for perpetuating this falsehood - and, if you really are in a position of oversight on drawing the post positions ... you should resign today * it only evens out, whatever the hell that means? - if the same owner continuously has ownership on a specific horse  -  it most assuredly does not 'even out' if the horse is owned on a smaller sample size.  Instead of clinging to the outmoded manipulation of pill bottles, decks of cards and marbles as legit ways to set a race, why not utilize a random sampler software program (that's a program that would run on a computer) or consider the suggestions of many people to use a data point as to recent earnings or last race position - and, factor in that information.  Is that just too complicated?  is narrowing the field down and then assigning start slots based on an agreed on criteria to even the field just so damned unreasonable?  This nonsense of acting like it's 1969 is just unacceptable in a modern day and age .... now, if you are in charge of picking the posts for some race in a cornfield or unsophisticated backwoods fun and grins racing, then go with what you know.  BUT!!!  the sport has become big, BIG, big money w/ the injection of cash from the casino VGTs - so, stop fighting the advancement to legit racing - or - you and all the other out of touch statue quo-ers will end up going right back in time  *  except, the state assigned purse money won't be going with you.

[Claimed Again]

Remember you heard it here first. Why not have everyone bet via a program number (chosen alphabetically maybe). Freeze betting. Let actual final odds appear on the tote so no one can accuse of past posting. THEN have an open draw in front of the public for post positions, and then start the race.

 
Its really not a terrible idea, would make it interesting, although that would make it a little more like a roulette wheel. It would prevent horses from being 2/5 in every other race. Maybe use that for a few races a night which would again be randomly chosen. It would be worth a shot/ Probably not easy to set that up, but doing the same old, same old, certainly aint helping. 

[Equus Caballus]

Remember you heard it here first. Why not have everyone bet via a program number (chosen alphabetically maybe). Freeze betting. Let actual final odds appear on the tote so no one can accuse of past posting. THEN have an open draw in front of the public for post positions, and then start the race.

pretty sure any owner or trainer can go watch any draw live if they wish?

[PurpleSheetPicks]

pretty sure any owner or trainer can go watch any draw live if they wish?

this is true

just an example of someone making a problem where there isnt one
get a bad post deal with it...it happens to everyone

[Sam R]

Anyone who thinks that judges don't screw certain people with the draw is naive. There were times that I wished I could place a bet on getting the 8 post. I've had judges make inferences to the fact that it was given not drawn. Even if your there all they need to do is mark your entry and turn it when the 8 pill is drawn.