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Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« on: December 07, 2018, 02:12:03 PM »
Trying to get some bookings on a couple nice trotting mares. Wanted Ch 7 but he is booked already and stud fee raised to 20k. Was told may be able to get one at that price or higher but all paid up front. No guarantees. Muscle Hill I hear trading at 40k. You have three other studs at 20k and newly TL at 15k. Six studs at a high price on the east coast. Meadowlands must be a slam dunk for that 5yr 100k tax payer payout subsidy. Heard D Hanover may have a deal on the table to head out overseas. He has seem to be a disappointment of late. You look at some other sires there into there 5th, 7th, or 10th crop and they may bring a average these days of 25 or 30k. So the middle guys that can stomach a 10-15k stud fee on a proven trotting sire is few and far between. So if you have GC dreams it seems it's only for the big boys anymore. Swan in IN had a 4-1 contract to what's available to fill his book. He went to 6k which is still a decent deal. So no surprise as the top contracts with 4 or 5 owners to a yearling or a syndicate in place on a high priced yearling. The market shrinks for breeding down the road. Unless you have the cash.

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 02:23:12 PM »
Trying to get some bookings on a couple nice trotting mares. Wanted Ch 7 but he is booked already and stud fee raised to 20k. Was told may be able to get one at that price or higher but all paid up front. No guarantees. Muscle Hill I hear trading at 40k. You have three other studs at 20k and newly TL at 15k. Six studs at a high price on the east coast. Meadowlands must be a slam dunk for that 5yr 100k tax payer payout subsidy. Heard D Hanover may have a deal on the table to head out overseas. He has seem to be a disappointment of late. You look at some other sires there into there 5th, 7th, or 10th crop and they may bring a average these days of 25 or 30k. So the middle guys that can stomach a 10-15k stud fee on a proven trotting sire is few and far between. So if you have GC dreams it seems it's only for the big boys anymore. Swan in IN had a 4-1 contract to what's available to fill his book. He went to 6k which is still a decent deal. So no surprise as the top contracts with 4 or 5 owners to a yearling or a syndicate in place on a high priced yearling. The market shrinks for breeding down the road. Unless you have the cash.


gotta book early

heard the same thing on C7

can still enter the breeding stock in the Meadowlands January sale and allow someone else to take the risk or sell to share owners who still have breedings

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 02:26:31 PM »
Didn't matter how early. The syndicates aren't releasing a lot of breedings. Blue Chip didn't get a lot and Ch7 book is smaller at 120 to begin with.

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 02:29:54 PM »
 It always sucks when you find out you just are not as important as you think you are.

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 04:50:16 PM »
Sounds like your speaking from experience! I'm just stating a current fact where breeding is these days.

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2018, 11:37:43 PM »
muscle mass
can clearly produce grand circuit and you have the ontario program to fall back on
and he is in your price range

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2018, 12:09:44 AM »
Chapter seven rules!!!

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2018, 11:50:50 AM »
B Jug yes you are correct on M Mass. And if you get a filly they seem to be added value as M Mass as a broadmare sire. If I don't go back to Trixton this year ON one mare I do like ON sire program and Archangel is a very nice cross. To our nicer mare however that's a 2x3 to M Yankee. Thanks Jug

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Re: Breeding trotters the Middle might as well stay in OH and IN
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2018, 03:50:42 PM »
As with everything else little guy with a mare or two is out on top studs unless royally bred.

 

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