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ELITE
« on: September 02, 2025, 11:01:25 AM »
When i place a bet and pay the largest chop in any form of gambling my protection from someone who is able to see my bets and work the pools to their advantage then it is 100 percent crooked but today racetracks do not care how money gets into the pools as long as it gets there,     Million dollar handles is a must in most places as racetracks need to show a huge handle to get WELFARE that is not deserving,    A friend of mine works in a casino in New Orleans and he is upper management and he told me that the key to running gaming is to treat the customer as its your family and be as fair and kind as you can be and you will not have any problems with most people and they will gamble and money will be made by the operators,       Most people that play harness racing do not believe they got fair play for their money,      The betting needs to shut off with a minute to post as nobody can tell me that seeing an even money shot offstride before the start is an unfair advantage that track could care less about because its all about handle not fair play and the computers of Elite can get in to every pool when this happens ,      Racetracks with poor food and poor racing with Pari mutual advantages with a crazy high chop is not a good recipe,    Every year in Arizona racetrack management all get together in a large room and over a hundred people who never placed a bet in their lives try to figure out on how to grow the game,   When an INQUIRY go on the board i am to afraid of what the judges will decide as most judges are people that trained or drove and have made friendships over the years with the people involved in the inquiry.  i do not see one plus to this games future as most tracks have no giveaways and poor food with bad service,,,       I listed to this new rider who won the KINGS PLATE at woodbine and he showed great class in thanking everyone involved with the horse and i can tell you i have never seen a harness driver show this class,   I can promise you no changes will be made until welfare money goes away.

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2025, 11:36:24 AM »
When i place a bet and pay the largest chop in any form of gambling my protection from someone who is able to see my bets and work the pools to their advantage then it is 100 percent crooked but today racetracks do not care how money gets into the pools as long as it gets there,     Million dollar handles is a must in most places as racetracks need to show a huge handle to get WELFARE that is not deserving,    A friend of mine works in a casino in New Orleans and he is upper management and he told me that the key to running gaming is to treat the customer as its your family and be as fair and kind as you can be and you will not have any problems with most people and they will gamble and money will be made by the operators,       Most people that play harness racing do not believe they got fair play for their money,      The betting needs to shut off with a minute to post as nobody can tell me that seeing an even money shot offstride before the start is an unfair advantage that track could care less about because its all about handle not fair play and the computers of Elite can get in to every pool when this happens ,      Racetracks with poor food and poor racing with Pari mutual advantages with a crazy high chop is not a good recipe,    Every year in Arizona racetrack management all get together in a large room and over a hundred people who never placed a bet in their lives try to figure out on how to grow the game,   When an INQUIRY go on the board i am to afraid of what the judges will decide as most judges are people that trained or drove and have made friendships over the years with the people involved in the inquiry.  i do not see one plus to this games future as most tracks have no giveaways and poor food with bad service,,,       I listed to this new rider who won the KINGS PLATE at woodbine and he showed great class in thanking everyone involved with the horse and i can tell you i have never seen a harness driver show this class,   I can promise you no changes will be made until welfare money goes away.
Speaking of judges.....DELAWA RE has now hired  former trainer/driver from the same  circuit that is related to at least 3 horsemen who race in Delaware....she even lives on the same  road as one of them.....right down the street.....I cannot make this stuff up

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2025, 12:02:56 PM »
When i place a bet and pay the largest chop in any form of gambling my protection from someone who is able to see my bets and work the pools to their advantage then it is 100 percent crooked but today racetracks do not care how money gets into the pools as long as it gets there,     Million dollar handles is a must in most places as racetracks need to show a huge handle to get WELFARE that is not deserving,    A friend of mine works in a casino in New Orleans and he is upper management and he told me that the key to running gaming is to treat the customer as its your family and be as fair and kind as you can be and you will not have any problems with most people and they will gamble and money will be made by the operators,       Most people that play harness racing do not believe they got fair play for their money,      The betting needs to shut off with a minute to post as nobody can tell me that seeing an even money shot offstride before the start is an unfair advantage that track could care less about because its all about handle not fair play and the computers of Elite can get in to every pool when this happens ,      Racetracks with poor food and poor racing with Pari mutual advantages with a crazy high chop is not a good recipe,    Every year in Arizona racetrack management all get together in a large room and over a hundred people who never placed a bet in their lives try to figure out on how to grow the game,   When an INQUIRY go on the board i am to afraid of what the judges will decide as most judges are people that trained or drove and have made friendships over the years with the people involved in the inquiry.  i do not see one plus to this games future as most tracks have no giveaways and poor food with bad service,,,       I listed to this new rider who won the KINGS PLATE at woodbine and he showed great class in thanking everyone involved with the horse and i can tell you i have never seen a harness driver show this class,   I can promise you no changes will be made until welfare money goes away.

what I find puzzling is that the common bettor--actually believes they are receiving a fair deal

Elite money goes in to the pools AFTER THEY SEE everyone elses bets in the pool-- of course this includes the jackpot wagers such as the pick 6s and pentafectas

they see every combination played before they bet-so they take down a majority of these "only one ticket can win" payouts

anyone who thinks otherwise is just ignorant to the facts-they dont want to believe they are getting fucked, but they are--royally

same as the betting on the first turn- many people prefer to believe this doesn't happen-but it does every race-everyday that the CAWs are allowed to bet in to.

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2025, 01:05:13 PM »
I listed to this new rider who won the KINGS PLATE at woodbine and he showed great class in thanking everyone involved with the horse and i can tell you i have never seen a harness driver show this class,   I can promise you no changes will be made until welfare money goes away.

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2025, 06:53:30 PM »
 
 Hit the space bar once in awhile. Tough to read like that
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Re: ELITE
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2025, 07:30:15 PM »
Elite and all other caws not allowed in the new sunset pick 6 wager at thorough bred tracks.

1. How do we know they really aren't in the pools? There is zero transparency.

2. Why is this such a big marketing idea? Cause thw caws obliterate the pools they are allowed in?

3. Why doesn't elite fight to be allowed in any pool everyone else is in? Cause they know not to bite the hand that feeds them? Cause they know tit for tat what they are doing now really shouldn't be legal or allowed?

Someone has to figure out a way to force gural to turn over every piece of his caw data to the public gamblers. 

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2025, 08:13:02 PM »
Elite and all other caws not allowed in the new sunset pick 6 wager at thorough bred tracks.

1. How do we know they really aren't in the pools? There is zero transparency.

2. Why is this such a big marketing idea? Cause thw caws obliterate the pools they are allowed in?

3. Why doesn't elite fight to be allowed in any pool everyone else is in? Cause they know not to bite the hand that feeds them? Cause they know tit for tat what they are doing now really shouldn't be legal or allowed?

Someone has to figure out a way to force gural to turn over every piece of his caw data to the public gamblers.

great idea--but Gural would never do that

he is addicted to the bad handle that he is allowing the public to get fleeced by

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2025, 10:54:48 PM »
Elite and all other caws not allowed in the new sunset pick 6 wager at thorough bred tracks.

1. How do we know they really aren't in the pools? There is zero transparency.

2. Why is this such a big marketing idea? Cause thw caws obliterate the pools they are allowed in?

3. Why doesn't elite fight to be allowed in any pool everyone else is in? Cause they know not to bite the hand that feeds them? Cause they know tit for tat what they are doing now really shouldn't be legal or allowed?

Someone has to figure out a way to force gural to turn over every piece of his caw data to the public gamblers.
  By far mymakes sure there can be no winning players as the number one post ever on horse plop,     I wish more people understood how important of an issue this is.   At woodbine they have a poker room that chops up to 20 dollars a pot in a 1-2 no limit poker game and Great canadian casino grabs every dollar and that is what ELITE is doing to the horse racing game with suits that have no understanding of gaming at all and driven out the gambler who loves the game and buys or claims horses because of his love of the game and every year the owners list will get smaller as every part of the game is a loosing investment.

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2025, 11:31:21 PM »
  By far mymakes sure there can be no winning players as the number one post ever on horse plop,     I wish more people understood how important of an issue this is.   At woodbine they have a poker room that chops up to 20 dollars a pot in a 1-2 no limit poker game and Great canadian casino grabs every dollar and that is what ELITE is doing to the horse racing game with suits that have no understanding of gaming at all and driven out the gambler who loves the game and buys or claims horses because of his love of the game and every year the owners list will get smaller as every part of the game is a loosing investment.

Don't forget that the state subsidy was based on. That was that that higher subsidized purses prove to increaae handle. An easy way to accomplish that would be to allow the caws in and charge then next to nothing to entice huge dollars in the pools right?

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Re: ELITE
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2025, 11:36:54 PM »
Using Elite as an example.

1st 80% and NYRA 20% operating Elite Turf Club out of Curacao.

They are in fact being the house and the gambler.

Then maybe it is time to bring this to the US DOJ because...

"US antitrust laws apply to foreign businesses when their conduct has a direct, substantial, and reasonably foreseeable effect on U.S. commerce, particularly under the Sherman Act and with limitations set by the Foreign Trade Antitrust Improvements Act (FTAIA). While the FTAIA generally excludes conduct in purely foreign trade, an exception exists for import commerce and for foreign conduct with significant impacts on U.S. markets. Foreign companies can be held liable for anti-competitive practices that distort U.S. trade, and penalties can include criminal charges for certain offenses like price-fixing."

No?

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« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2025, 11:55:42 PM »
And HISA because...

"The Horseracing Integrity and Safety Act (HISA) regulates U.S. horse racing to ensure fairness and integrity. While HISA focuses on safety and anti-doping, perceived unfair advantages from CAW partnerships could prompt regulatory scrutiny, potentially leading to antitrust investigations by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) or Department of Justice (DOJ)."

Conclusion...

"Partnerships between tracks and CAWs could potentially violate U.S. antitrust laws if they involve exclusive agreements that substantially restrain competition among bettors or abuse a track’s dominant position. However, no specific case law or DOJ/FTC rulings directly address this issue in horse racing. The concentration of betting volume among CAWs and complaints about unfair advantages (e.g., internal pool data access) suggest potential for scrutiny, but a violation would depend on evidence of significant anti-competitive effects, such as reduced participation by everyday bettors or harm to the betting market."

Well if the books are opened up to see where the money is coming from more and more and where it slowing down less and less, case fucking closed! 

I'm now waiting for my special government antitrust class action rebate deposited into my account!   ngc3

Thing is it might happen, bad news it can only be used as a wagering credit because the government is fucking dumb as negotiators.  More money to piss away!   ;D

 

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