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Harness Racing / Re: Fun facts comparing handles at different tracks
« Last post by Papillon on Today at 09:29:33 AM »
I’m willing to say the majority of these handles (85%+) are computerized bots betting for rebates

I would say this estimate is close to reality

a few months ago i said the amount of CAW handle was around 50% at most tracks and was mocked and chastised --but then suddenly a few agreed with me

85% seems high but certainly within the realms of reality
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Harness Racing / Re: Rosecroft Race 3
« Last post by Papillon on Today at 09:16:36 AM »
these payoffs are proof that CAWs wont get involved if the pools are that small

a computerized correction would have been enacted if they were

I have noticed the same thing at Hawthorne--3/5 shots are occasionally paying more  than $4 to place

it is not worth their(CAWs) time to get involved for peanut sized pools

there are other entities that are allowed to bet after the bell --but they are not "computer analyzed"

same at Cumberland/Bangor--2/1 shots suddenly go off 1/9 once the first turn is observed--certain betting after the race starts--- they are not CAW related-they are just venues that allow betting after the bell, and these bettors are not privileged to analyze the pools for unusual anomalies

not all betting after the race starts are CAW related(contrary to popular beliefs)-this is a prime example-there is a difference

this was not "pool manipulation" either-obvious by the size of the pool

betting after the bell by non CAWs, computerized analysis betting after the bell and pool manipulation are three separate issues

this race at Rosecroft had about $1300 total in the exacta pool and the prices were within the confines of an expected payoff-so there no was no CAW action and those who can bet after the race starts will not be making bets in the place pool

now I await responses that tell me all bets are timestamped and all bets are completely legitimate and made before the race starts ngc3

for those who still insist that all bets are "timestamped"-that is incorrect----if the bets are made before the race starts--- they are certainly timestamped-but the bets after the bell are placed in a category called "the last betting cycle"--a nebulous gray area where there is no magical timestamp-but the bets are welcomed-so no evidence can be traced to the practice of pick-pocketing --just for the sake of increasing handle-fleecing the common man everyday every day at most tracks that have a handle where it is worth it for them to get involved

in this case-i would say Trigger is correct--nobody noticed this anomaly at a track with tiny handle on a Monday
night

certainly nothing fishy--the pool size and payoffs are proof of that
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Harness Racing / Re: Who is on your Mt. Rushmore of drivers?
« Last post by pylon on Today at 09:13:59 AM »
 tmbz1
Amazing that you were able to see him in his prime! I'm jealous! Apparently, Keith was a role model for many-----including, just to name a few, Steve Condren, Doug Brown, Jim Doherty, and others as well. Keith has long been considered by many horsemen as one the greatest drivers in history. Mike Lachance often praised Keith and his skills, strengths as a driver, etc. I think Keith's formal resume is incomplete as he driving long before formal/official records were kept and recorded.

I did see the LBJ in 72 when he won with Strike Out, where they set the WR for the fastest mile ever on a half. I've also seen the videos of the International he won with Tie Silk in 62. His major victories and accomplishments are too many to list. He was also involved in opening and managing three Canadian racetracks and was integrally involved in their operations. Keith gave accurate and meaningful definition to the term "legend."
tmbz1
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Thoroughbred Racing / Re: Zenyatta's Daily Carryover Lounge
« Last post by Trigger on Today at 09:11:27 AM »
Today's Carryovers 11/25/25
+ 2:20 PM R6 Parx Racing
PK5: $118,690
+ 12:05 PM R1 Parx Racing
PK5: $107,159
+ 1:39 PM R4 Mahoning Valley
PK6: $30,624
+ 8:08 PM R7 Western Fair Raceway (H)
PK5: $28,546
+ 4:00 PM R1 Dayton Raceway (H)
PK5: $2,013
+ 11:30 AM R1 UK Wolverhampton
PK6: $1,060
+ FIN R1 UK Lingfield Park
PK6: $809
+ 12:30 PM R3 UK Wolverhampton
PK4: $416
+ FIN R3 IRE Tramore
PK4: $394
+ FIN R1 UK Southwell
PK6: $385
+ FIN R3 UK Hereford
PK4: $385
+ FIN R3 UK Southwell
PK4: $358
+ FIN R1 UK Hereford
PK6: $319

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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Trigger on Today at 09:09:11 AM »
I can’t figure out if your Mike or Mike’s lackey

I'm fine with that  tmbz1

Compared to anyone here too but...

If I was accused of being you or your lackey...

I'd be devastated!   ngc3
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Harness Racing / Re: The Clegg family
« Last post by Sakit on Today at 09:03:02 AM »
Bullshit

You just waited until events occurred and did a lot of Copy N Paste. That's it. Nothing else.

Nobody in important positions or the press or the regulators credits you with a fucking single thing publicly.

As an aside your Youtube Video Short from the 22nd has ZERO (0) (NIL) views.  ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

How is that even possible?   ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3 ngc3

Ya drip.
Mike P I think he’s got your number
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Harness Racing / Re: Dooomsday for Howard....or not
« Last post by Sakit on Today at 08:56:42 AM »
Fat fucks should focus on their health, and wealthy successful lawyers should focus on that and preserving their legacy.

Then again you have one idiot whose subconscious is eating away like a prized fucking whale.

The other, has mental illness.

(Maybe both with the latter  ngc3)
I can’t figure out if your Mike or Mike’s lackey
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Harness Racing / Re: HOOSIER PARK
« Last post by SIX SHOOTER on Today at 08:51:25 AM »
GONNA BE HARD TO INCREASE THE HANDLE NEXT YEAR WHEN THERE AINT NO HORSES RACING THERE.
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Harness Racing / Re: Who is on your Mt. Rushmore of drivers?
« Last post by Lieutenant Sanchez on Today at 08:27:32 AM »
Monticello                     Saratoga                       Maine     Pompano: Wally, Ranger, Peter Wrenn, Myles McNichol, Joe Ricci voice of PP
Billy Zeke Parker            JP Morel                       Walter Case Jr.
John Sep Gilmour           Harold Story                 Ted J Wing
Joe Ricco Jr.                   Gilles Filion                   Leigh The Fox Fitch
Mike Sorentino Jr.           Kim Lee Crawford          David Ingraham

Honorable Mention
Andy Santeramo            Jimmy Allen                   Bruce Aldrich Jr.
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Harness Racing / Re: Ford must resign
« Last post by Yonkers1A on Today at 06:51:17 AM »
Day 169, Ford must resign.
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