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« Last post by Yonkers1A on November 17, 2025, 07:03:21 PM »
Any cheaters are gradually weeded out of this and every sport.
Yes, then more take their place as the honest ones are forced out
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Fanduel profits about 300 million a year at the Meadowlands. Best estimates are Gural gets 15% about 45 million a year. He’s making money even with the expense of the racing. Fanduel can exist without racing at the Meadowlands but racing is just a write off on Gural’s tax bill. His threat of closing the track without a casino is just a threat.
Are you absolutely sure that you are not confusing revenue with profit?
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« Last post by pylon on November 17, 2025, 06:37:57 PM »
Pick a successful trainer's name, any trainer. There is probably somebody who is going to think that trainer is cheating. Cheating is a relative term. If you are racing on hay, oats, and water, then you are at a competitive disadvantage. Sad state of affairs, but the reality. Detention barn and out of competition testing should be the norm, and should be frequent/regular.
I can't think of a top trainer, a successful trainer, who has never had a positive test. Can you? Go way back in Meadowlands history. Larry/Ray Remmen, Jim Doherty, Lofty Bruce, Greg Wright, Howard Camden, Jack Friedhoff, Kelvin Harrison? Move on, Rovine/Holloway, Dave Elliott, Ben Webster, Ron Waples? Then Robinson, Artandi, Stutzman, George Anthony, Pelling, Croghan, Holloway? Today, Ake, Burke, Alagna, Moore, Linda Toscano? Keep going. For me, there's a big difference between a clenbuterol positive (slightly over the limit) and some designer, exotic drug that has zero place on the backstretch or farm. Who do you give a horse to today, before you get accused of using a "drug" trainer? Yes, I do think there should be owner accountability, but that leads to a very slippery slope.
i can think of one..Blair Burgess..i dont think he has ever gotten a positive
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« Last post by wisha roder on November 17, 2025, 06:14:26 PM »
Stacy Chiodo , specializes in making horses go slow
For all the more she drives i always thought she did well considering shes at a premier track driving against better stock and high end trainers and drivers. A lot safer than most drivers out there. Don’t know if she still has record for fastest win ever by female driver.
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« Last post by The Answer on November 17, 2025, 06:12:12 PM »
FanDuel's operations at the Meadowlands consistently generate the majority of New Jersey's sports betting revenue. However, specific "profits" for the Meadowlands Racetrack are complex, as a percentage of the revenue is used to cover the racetrack's operational losses and contribute to horse racing purses, rather than being pure profit for the track itself.
Meadowlands/FanDuel Revenue Snapshot (NJ)
Overall Market Dominance: FanDuel, which operates online and a physical sportsbook through the Meadowlands' New Jersey license, is the leading operator in the state's highly competitive market.
Monthly Performance: In January 2024, the Meadowlands (with its three online partners including FanDuel) set a record by surpassing $100 million in monthly revenue.
Annual Revenue (2023): Profits (revenue) for the entire Meadowlands operation from sports betting surpassed $458 million for the year 2023.
Retail vs. Online: The vast majority of revenue comes from online sports betting. For example, in December 2023, online revenue for the Meadowlands was $49.3 million, while the physical (retail) location contributed around $1.8 million.
Racetrack Allocation of Revenue
The financial arrangement is critical to understanding "profits at the Meadowlands":
In 2024, $2.5 million from sports betting revenue was added directly to the horse racing purse account.
An additional $11.5 million was used to cover the operating losses of the racetrack for the year.
Therefore, while the FanDuel-powered operation is a massive revenue generator in New Jersey, the Meadowlands Racetrack itself uses a significant portion of this income to subsidize its horseracing operations, not generating a direct "profit" for the track as a standalone business in the traditional sense.
So he writes off 14 million off the tax he would have to pay on the Fanduel profit.
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« Last post by Dingus on November 17, 2025, 06:08:32 PM »
How about the 3YO pacing filly race, where Unreasonable won after being interfered with.
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« Last post by Papillon on November 17, 2025, 05:59:21 PM »
FanDuel's operations at the Meadowlands consistently generate the majority of New Jersey's sports betting revenue. However, specific "profits" for the Meadowlands Racetrack are complex, as a percentage of the revenue is used to cover the racetrack's operational losses and contribute to horse racing purses, rather than being pure profit for the track itself.
Meadowlands/FanDuel Revenue Snapshot (NJ)
Overall Market Dominance: FanDuel, which operates online and a physical sportsbook through the Meadowlands' New Jersey license, is the leading operator in the state's highly competitive market.
Monthly Performance: In January 2024, the Meadowlands (with its three online partners including FanDuel) set a record by surpassing $100 million in monthly revenue.
Annual Revenue (2023): Profits (revenue) for the entire Meadowlands operation from sports betting surpassed $458 million for the year 2023.
Retail vs. Online: The vast majority of revenue comes from online sports betting. For example, in December 2023, online revenue for the Meadowlands was $49.3 million, while the physical (retail) location contributed around $1.8 million.
Racetrack Allocation of Revenue
The financial arrangement is critical to understanding "profits at the Meadowlands":
In 2024, $2.5 million from sports betting revenue was added directly to the horse racing purse account.
An additional $11.5 million was used to cover the operating losses of the racetrack for the year.
Therefore, while the FanDuel-powered operation is a massive revenue generator in New Jersey, the Meadowlands Racetrack itself uses a significant portion of this income to subsidize its horseracing operations, not generating a direct "profit" for the track as a standalone business in the traditional sense.
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The Hambo Society better be careful. The Meadowlands and Woodbine are the only tracks that can truly garner interest nationally and with handle. All the peeps love the Red Mile because the farms are there but the handles are atrocious and isnt the place a dump. The Meadowlands is the best track in the world and horsemen should be grovelling for that casino to get it back to its glory...and it will never return to what it was in the 80s and 90s but easily it should be the dominant track
Absolutely agreed. It will never be what it was. It's a very different world today. However, with a casino, and what else Gural wants to do, it can and will be the premier harness racing track in NA.
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« Last post by The Answer on November 17, 2025, 05:38:05 PM »
Gural is on record that the doors are closing if they dont get the casino
They could do 4 million a night every night. They would still close.
He has no meaningful handle on imported signals. The vast majority of the live handle is from adw retail accounts and CAWs.
The current business model doesnt work. Apparently even with the sports business.
The true description of it would be whatever the polar opposite of "thriving" is
Fanduel profits about 300 million a year at the Meadowlands. Best estimates are Gural gets 15% about 45 million a year. He’s making money even with the expense of the racing. Fanduel can exist without racing at the Meadowlands but racing is just a write off on Gural’s tax bill. His threat of closing the track without a casino is just a threat.
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« Last post by hoosierboy on November 17, 2025, 05:03:06 PM »
No competative trainer is sending them to post on only hay and oates
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