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I've been wondering how much things have changed in the sport in the last ten years or so--.
Always thought of Yonkers leading the pack.
So I used the handle info on the USTA site and my abacus to compare the total track handles on Thurs, Nov 20. I have time on my hands now...Used Tues the 18th for PCD.
So these are the handles PER RACE
Monti---50,755
Yonkers-30,399
Chester-26,142
Pocono-19,535

Seems to me that bettors are turned off by the style of racing at Yonkers where horses outside the 5 rarely leave/try.
For a track that has been denigrated and disparaged as the quintissential "B" track, it appears that bettors like the product.
Is it becoming a haven for the gamblers? more driver antics?
And whats up at Pocono?

I’m willing to say the majority of these handles (85%+) are computerized bots betting for rebates
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Harness Racing / Re: Who is on your Mt. Rushmore of drivers?
« Last post by Lar4400 on Today at 12:07:09 AM »
Billy O
John C
Herve F
Charlie Fitz
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Harness Racing / Re: Who is on your Mt. Rushmore of drivers?
« Last post by Mazola on November 24, 2025, 11:37:47 PM »
Amazing that you were able to see him in his prime! I'm jealous! Apparently, Keith was a role model for many-----including, just to name a few, Steve Condren, Doug Brown, Jim Doherty, and others as well. Keith has long been considered by many horsemen as one the greatest drivers in history. Mike Lachance often praised Keith and his skills, strengths as a driver, etc. I think Keith's formal resume is incomplete as he driving long before formal/official records were kept and recorded.

I did see the LBJ in 72 when he won with Strike Out, where they set the WR for the fastest mile ever on a half. I've also seen the videos of the International he won with Tie Silk in 62. His major victories and accomplishments are too many to list. He was also involved in opening and managing three Canadian racetracks and was integrally involved in their operations. Keith gave accurate and meaningful definition to the term "legend."

Not only a great driver, he trained a top stable racing Toronto and Montreal.
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Harness Racing / Re: Talk Dark Stranger will Destroy the Breed
« Last post by SDST2009 on November 24, 2025, 11:17:19 PM »
Who are going to breed to? Sweet Lou is expensive and only Burke has good ones...PASS
Captain not cheap and seems to have less good ones...PASS
Who is the leading sire and who is the best value?

Assuming you're talking PA: Papi Rob..if you can get into him. Already full and closed but part of that is likely his health issues.
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Harness Racing / Re: Who is on your Mt. Rushmore of drivers?
« Last post by Any1Left on November 24, 2025, 11:01:02 PM »
I saw Kieth at CASINO RAMA about 15 years ago walking around and asked him whats his game of choice and he replied to me that a casino has never seen a dollar of his and never will but i think his wife was playing slots,
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Harness Racing / Re: Who is on your Mt. Rushmore of drivers?
« Last post by Grandstand Handicapper on November 24, 2025, 10:34:11 PM »
I saw Keith Waples in his prime and was going to have him in my list but went with Feagan instead. I remember Keith driving nice horses like Mr Galaphone, Blaze Pick and Strike Out.

Apparently Keith was a role model for Herve and many others.

Amazing that you were able to see him in his prime! I'm jealous! Apparently, Keith was a role model for many-----including, just to name a few, Steve Condren, Doug Brown, Jim Doherty, and others as well. Keith has long been considered by many horsemen as one the greatest drivers in history. Mike Lachance often praised Keith and his skills, strengths as a driver, etc. I think Keith's formal resume is incomplete as he driving long before formal/official records were kept and recorded.

I did see the LBJ in 72 when he won with Strike Out, where they set the WR for the fastest mile ever on a half. I've also seen the videos of the International he won with Tie Silk in 62. His major victories and accomplishments are too many to list. He was also involved in opening and managing three Canadian racetracks and was integrally involved in their operations. Keith gave accurate and meaningful definition to the term "legend."
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Harness Racing / Re: The Clegg family
« Last post by Trigger on November 24, 2025, 10:28:25 PM »
Everybody clap for the lonely Mikey

 Rage & jealousy consumes him

You paint Mike as unworthy of human treatment beyond insults you dish.

Going back months on your posts...

https://www.horseplop.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=33885

Almost all those posts are consumed about Mike and virtually nothing new and updating?

That there is a psychological paradox.

Is that correct?
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Harness Racing / Re: Fun facts comparing handles at different tracks
« Last post by Trigger on November 24, 2025, 10:12:35 PM »
years ago in the aldrich years they wanted a million a night at northfield. i think they would hit it on the regular if im not mistaken.
not sure what it is now a days.
aldrich would play games and wait until the money came in. then he would tell the starter when to go.

I remember when Case blew up the pools there.

When the purses were $2000 more or less.
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Harness Racing / Re: Rosecroft Race 3
« Last post by Trigger on November 24, 2025, 10:08:36 PM »
I'm still laughing at the place pool in this race.  And only $612 win pool.  That's sad.  But also very strange!
I wasn't even watching.  had it on in the background and heard him say the payouts and heard "check this out" .  I don't think I've ever seen only $1 in any pool for Foster.  Very fishy

It's very unusual.  tmbz1

I've never seen it either.  tmbz1

Fishy would be if they actual have a decent handle... ngc3

Not that gamblers avoid it like the plague... ngc3
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Harness Racing / Re: Fun facts comparing handles at different tracks
« Last post by NOTHING BUT TRUTHS on November 24, 2025, 10:01:19 PM »
years ago in the aldrich years they wanted a million a night at northfield. i think they would hit it on the regular if im not mistaken.
not sure what it is now a days.
aldrich would play games and wait until the money came in. then he would tell the starter when to go.
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