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« Last post by Trigger on Today at 03:23:48 PM »
Mike and Mike’s puppet you both are really going to feel stupid if they walk which they will incidentally
Sakit and Cashout you're really going to bat for your buddy here. Mike and I are having a conversation. You two numskulls are actual stooges, defenders of this sourpuss. On repeat the same boring shit over and over. Let's see... (A) dialogue with and be supportive of an animal advocate and animal advocacy, seeing harness racing being regulated, and lawfulness. Or (B) of a multimillionaire cheating horse drugging narcissistic cuntface? "A" is my final answer! 
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Their handle is down almost 50% over the last few years...Sad. Same horses, same drivers, boring. Almost like an exclusive club that has access to millions and millions of annual welfare money.
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« Last post by Pacer 2 on Today at 03:11:34 PM »
He's a tough competitor and when the money's on the line he often elevates his driving and rises to the occassion.
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« Last post by Pacer 2 on Today at 03:09:38 PM »
I like Yonkers.....
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« Last post by MTP1972 on Today at 02:50:45 PM »
Be interesting to see how Fallout performs in his Progress Pace elim at Dover tomorrow being in Burke's stable for the first time.
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« Last post by Cashout on Today at 02:48:19 PM »
The amazing thing is that SCM was able to find himself a lackey , can you imagine what a loser in life Trigger must be.
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« Last post by MTP1972 on Today at 02:47:31 PM »
Personally I could care less what happens to Yonkers one way or the other
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I agree 100% that anyone running a decent sized stable os going to have a positive here and there. The trainer I use (and any I would consider using) have the same types of positives: very intermittent overages on widely-accepted therapeutic drugs that are likely more a slight gamble and/or slow metabolism positive, so to speak.
You're also exactly right that no one is winning on hay and oats anymore. At minimum, some pretty high-tech vet maintenance, etc going on. Not all bad. As athletes, these things should have therapeutic drugs and procedures available.
As someone older and smarter than me once said, "I know it when I see it."
When I see it, most often, is taking a horse and immediately improving it 2-3 seconds. I can think of 3 or 4 without even delving into statistics that fit that observation. As someone who has been associated with a horse that did exactly this, I am certain it can and does happen for legitimate reasons..but it doesn't happen with the type of regularity some of these trainers average.
Another time it is very apparent is when someone takes a horse, vastly improves it for ~5 starts, and the horse disappears.
Finally, the marked pattern of detention equating to a subpar performance. I know a lot of horses don't love the change of routine. But..a lot of trainers don't, either
Absolutely, positively, I know it when I see it applies! Agreed. When I see a horse, like you said, go on a vicious tear for a month or so, and then fall apart or disappear, yes, something is wrong there. Yes, when a successful horse falls apart because of a detention barn, yes, something is wrong there. But I've also seen trainers improve horses and keep them going, bring them back next year, etc. There's no always here.
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I agree 100% that anyone running a decent sized stable os going to have a positive here and there. The trainer I use (and any I would consider using) have the same types of positives: very intermittent overages on widely-accepted therapeutic drugs that are likely more a slight gamble and/or slow metabolism positive, so to speak.
You're also exactly right that no one is winning on hay and oats anymore. At minimum, some pretty high-tech vet maintenance, etc going on. Not all bad. As athletes, these things should have therapeutic drugs and procedures available.
As someone older and smarter than me once said, "I know it when I see it."
When I see it, most often, is taking a horse and immediately improving it 2-3 seconds. I can think of 3 or 4 without even delving into statistics that fit that observation. As someone who has been associated with a horse that did exactly this, I am certain it can and does happen for legitimate reasons..but it doesn't happen with the type of regularity some of these trainers average.
Another time it is very apparent is when someone takes a horse, vastly improves it for ~5 starts, and the horse disappears.
Finally, the marked pattern of detention equating to a subpar performance. I know a lot of horses don't love the change of routine. But..a lot of trainers don't, either
Thanks, and I agree. I've been in this sport and business, as a racehorse owner, a stallion share owner, on occasion as a breeder, and as a bettor, my entire adult life. While I am not a vet, or an expert on drugs, and the like, just from being around for soon to be approaching a half century, for whatever it's worth-----and it is not a qualified opinion-----I don't think this is a "pre-race" discussion today. I think whatever these cheaters are using and doing it's more a "regimen" or "program" or maybe a "cycle" kind of thing. Some of these bodybuilders do these things where they "cycle on" and "cycle off"-----but maybe that's more of a "steroid" thing. I don't know. Yes, we've all seen the overnight and drastic improvement of a horse. I don't see it anywhere near as often as I used to, and that's because it's not happening anywhere near as often as it used to. I do remember a long time ago, I saw Bill Robinson take a horse that previously wore every piece of equipment known to mankind, he took everything off, raced the horse with nothing, and one week later the horse jogged and went about 3 seconds faster. Is the equipment the only thing he did? I don't know. But one week for a program, I don't know. Yes, pre-racing still exists, but I think there's much more going on.
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« Last post by Sakit on Today at 02:24:47 PM »
WRITE NOW
ITS A LOCK TRIGGERS OUT BY 9 AND A HALF LENGTHS HES AT THE 3 QUARTERS IN 21 AND CHANGE
A QUARTER MILE LEFT TO RACE
winner
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