Is Tony Done?

[seen2much]

Will Tony get desperate and push things. It is impossible to compete at he top being honest. The top cheaters are pushing harder than ever.

[Kole Hanover]

 It seems like Tony started going downhill when a bunch of EPO suppliers got busted.

 Imagine how good some young trainers would do, spending what he does for his stable. Ex: Nick Gallucci from Canada, imagine if he started the year with Tonys horses...

 He was on a tear for abit but has tailed off in the last few years (Fallout was good as a 2y.o but they couldn't get him to do anything this year).

[Brown jug]

did not take long for burke to fix fallout

[Grandstand Handicapper]

I thought $500k for Fallout was ludicrous. For anyone. It's not like he was going to be the ML favorite for the Progress. He was 20-1! Tight photo too, LOL. Easy to say after the fact that, but anyone can be a Monday morning QB. Luck or not. The check clears. LOL.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

BTW, I was there when the horse sold. While I believe there were live bidders, I don't know who else was on the horse. I was very surprised this horse went for $500k. Talented 2yo, didn't come back at 3, and wasn't showing being a top 3yo at all. Showed little. Whatever they were thinking, they just got back a nice chunk of change.

[Brown jug]

agree that $500k was way over the top , i thought $300k would be about right
i don't believe the burke brigade got run up, too smart for that
one of the other likely culprits was in on the bidding
grandstand, who is a monday morning qb??, who cares what the morning line odds were, my point was the horse ran a huge mile( no luck in that) and got the dough

[Lance]

The videos are on Alagna Racing at Facebook.   Several good ones too!

Not, the kind I was looking for but looking good none the less.

[Calhoun]

Not, the kind I was looking for but looking good none the less.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

agree that $500k was way over the top , i thought $300k would be about right
i don't believe the burke brigade got run up, too smart for that
one of the other likely culprits was in on the bidding
grandstand, who is a monday morning qb??, who cares what the morning line odds were, my point was the horse ran a huge mile( no luck in that) and got the dough

Agreed, I didn't see, but it had to be the usual suspects. Harris? As far as the Monday morning QB, I am not saying anyone specifically was doing that. I was simply saying it's easy to say anything after the fact. Nobody can say they bought the horse with this specific angle in mind because the horse was going to be ML favorite for $280k. Did the horse run big? Absolutely. He outran his odds, his recent performances, and I say there was some luck in this. To each their own.

[hoosierboy]

It will be interesting to see how Fallout continues to perform.  He will need to go a lot faster than 150 to compete next year

[Brown jug]

he will be in Kentucky for most of the year , making loads of cash

[AgentQ]

If you think Burke would dole out 1/2 million if he didn't know he could win all the big ones next year, then you're very naive. Burke has a massive edge and he is spending serious capital because of it.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

There's no doubt that Burke was thinking this horse would be a major, perhaps very major, factor in the KSDF/Sire Stakes program next year. He was definitive, confident, and put his money where his thinking was, and get just got a nice pay day because of it. Improved performance, luck, doesn't matter. The purse check cleared. Burke's operation is big enough, with enough spreading of risk, that if this horse turned out to be a dud, it wouldn't decimate them. Give credit where credit is due. Obviously, Burke didn't think he overpaid that much. At least not to the point where he stopped raising his hand, LOL.

[jupiter]

Tony needs to start to be more of a businessman, cut his numbers back and get rid of the dead wood. He's not looking for overnight horses and that's what he's got now. The 2 farms has to be a big burden not just monetarily. I think his Ky property is far easier to sell than Tullo's, but the future is Ky not NJ. Long term he's going to be better off to get out of NJ. Even if he has to take a loss, better to bite the bullet now, He also doesn't train at Sunshine Meadows anymore, which was far less stressful and he had a audience that he doesn't have in NJ

[hoosierboy]

Tony needs to start to be more of a businessman, cut his numbers back and get rid of the dead wood. He's not looking for overnight horses and that's what he's got now. The 2 farms has to be a big burden not just monetarily. I think his Ky property is far easier to sell than Tullo's, but the future is Ky not NJ. Long term he's going to be better off to get out of NJ. Even if he has to take a loss, better to bite the bullet now, He also doesn't train at Sunshine Meadows anymore, which was far less stressful and he had a audience that he doesn't have in NJ

Are you saying tony is selling the KY farm also?