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General Category => Harness Racing => Topic started by: pocketrocketwinner on October 19, 2025, 10:00:09 AM
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Huge gambling influencer tweets over the weekend that he has quit his favorite thing to gamble on.
Calls CAWs illegal.eludes to tracks owning them and are in the pools betting into you.
This on the heels of eilte refusing to disclose any information about their accounts.
Racing is in humongous trouble
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All bettors should unite on Breeders Cup weekend and do the same. But they won’t. tmbz1
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Hopefully Portnoy has some influence, betting into CAW tracks is a losing strategy.
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All bettors should unite on Breeders Cup weekend and do the same. But they won’t. tmbz1
I think the gamblers have spoken up the most over the last 50 years.
This time it's the honest horseman's turn, maybe not on a stake night but just walk out on racing across NA, and see who shows up.
Yeh!
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Hopefully Portnoy has some influence, betting into CAW tracks is a losing strategy.
He's got more influence than anyone in the gambling space. That's a fact. He has been been on the offensive, exposing CAWs all day. There's even been a scathing story from the main barstool account. Tracks should be very nervous but they are very likely dumb enough to not even know
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He's got more influence than anyone in the gambling space. That's a fact. He has been been on the offensive, exposing CAWs all day. There's even been a scathing story from the main barstool account. Tracks should be very nervous but they are very likely dumb enough to not even know
He'll have a fraction so low it will be considered ZERO influence.
The honest horseman need to do a NA walkout.
Let them scratch 3/4's of all the horse and see if they can make a card.
The gamblers should be thrilled, and then we're all in solidarity.
We basically have the same gripe however it affects us differently but same bottom line.
CAW is probably illegal is the theory and that should be pursued.
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He'll have a fraction so low it will be considered ZERO influence.
The honest horseman need to do a NA walkout.
Let them scratch 3/4's of all the horse and see if they can make a card.
The gamblers should be thrilled, and then we're all in solidarity.
We basically have the same gripe however it affects us differently but same bottom line.
CAW is probably illegal is the theory and that should be pursued.
If the tracks got legally pursued about the CAWs, these tracks would be in a devastatingly bad sitaution. The issue is getting this investigated by the right people. The ultimate question is what would happen if they were eliminated entirely? My guess is the entire wagering portion of the industry completely collapses.
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If the tracks got legally pursued about the CAWs, these tracks would be in a devastatingly bad sitaution. The issue is getting this investigated by the right people. The ultimate question is what would happen if they were eliminated entirely? My guess is the entire wagering portion of the industry completely collapses.
These CAWs work on a sliding scale of % of the pools, it's a good question. I'm sure they're meant to win and also by not saturating the pools with mostly their own money. 30-40% reduction I think is the reported number at the tracks they're in.
But so what they're all on welfare money from the Casino, in Canada their govt subsidizes directly or it has.
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Truro
Total Purse: $68,375
Total Handle: $33,272
Inverness
Total Purse: $10,075
Total Handle: $8,125
I highly doubt these get 1 penny of CAW money, but Inverness really wtf, they must have some lobby in Canada, please pretty please just a quarter mil for the whole meet. Thank you daddy! ngc3
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These CAWs work on a sliding scale of % of the pools, it's a good question. I'm sure they're meant to win and also by not saturating the pools with mostly their own money. 30-40% reduction I think is the reported number at the tracks they're in.
But so what they're all on welfare money from the Casino, in Canada their govt subsidizes directly or it has.
The biggest issue is if NYRA and Stronach not only own the CAWs but they have their own accounts and are skimming and profiting from their own pools. This is what portnoy has been saying. If true, oh my. Save your tickets
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The biggest issue is if NYRA and Stronach not only own the CAWs but they have their own accounts and are skimming and profiting from their own pools. This is what portnoy has been saying. If true, oh my. Save your tickets
NYRA top guys have their own accounts, I know that for a fact.
They get inside info all the time because they are the inside.
Profiting is also about winning.
Skimming though, I think you need to play that one out how it's happening.
Funny, true story was talking to an exec there on the day the tote system was screwing up a couple weeks ago. He said to me, we own 49% of this tote, they don't tell us shit. ngc3
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NYRA top guys have their own accounts, I know that for a fact.
They get inside info all the time because they are the inside.
Profiting is also about winning.
Skimming though, I think you need to play that one out how it's happening.
Funny, true story was talking to an exec there on the day the tote system was screwing up a couple weeks ago. He said to me, we own 49% of this tote, they don't tell us shit. ngc3
Not talking about NYRA top guys personal accounts betting just like you and i do. What portnoy is talking about is the Elite accounts betting 50% of the pools using AI to place bets at the last second actually being owned by NYRA and stronach. These are not human personal accounts. They are AI driven computer accounts. ELITE refuses to disclose any information about their accounts citing contractual agreements. Seems like Portnoy knows more than we do.
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Not talking about NYRA top guys personal accounts betting just like you and i do. What portnoy is talking about is the Elite accounts betting 50% of the pools using AI to place bets at the last second actually being owned by NYRA and stronach. These are not human personal accounts. They are AI driven computer accounts. ELITE refuses to disclose any information about their accounts citing contractual agreements. Seems like Portnoy knows more than we do.
From what I understand they pay a fortune $? to have the opportunity, so they buy in, then they get a percentage of the take out back, much bigger than say a rebate that can go upwards of 8%.
Bet 500,000, lose 50,000 = $450,000 + 62,500 (12.5% of their rake on the 500,000 wagered) = $512,500 In that scenario they can lose and win $12,500, and yes it looks like a conflict of interest. Worst they control so much money I think jockeys and trainers are in on it and that is why they're getting inside stuff, fixing races too. There is now billions on the line.
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He's got more influence than anyone in the gambling space. That's a fact. He has been been on the offensive, exposing CAWs all day. There's even been a scathing story from the main barstool account. Tracks should be very nervous but they are very likely dumb enough to not even know
True, he's a huge gambling influencer. But how big in the horse race betting space? Barstool exploded when sports gambling got legalized and while horse gamblers bet sports (and always have), I'm not sure a lot of newer/younger sports bettors cross into horse race betting. They see 20% rake, 2x sports vig... I don't think so.
Saratoga and Keeneland and Del Mar draw younger but that's it. And that's where we see Portnoy show up and do a few bits for his shows or post on X.
I follow Portnoy on X and his "I Quit" posts draw 1000s of "Me Too's" but I doubt 5% of those replying bet horses.
And yes, the tracks owning CAWs is deplorable.
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From what I understand they pay a fortune $? to have the opportunity, so they buy in, then they get a percentage of the take out back, much bigger than say a rebate that can go upwards of 8%.
Bet 500,000, lose 50,000 = $450,000 + 62,500 (12.5% of their rake on the 500,000 wagered) = $512,500 In that scenario they can lose and win $12,500, and yes it looks like a conflict of interest. Worst they control so much money I think jockeys and trainers are in on it and that is why they're getting inside stuff, fixing races too. There is now billions on the line.
If the Elite accounts that are making the bets are owned by the tracks themsleves, it doesnt cost them anything other than paying for the tech and AI to send in their own bets. They wouldn't charge themselves to bet.
Its possible there is more than just AI involved in determining the bets. Who knows. But yes. Many billions.
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If the Elite accounts that are making the bets are owned by the tracks themsleves, it doesnt cost them anything other than paying for the tech and AI to send in their own bets. They wouldn't charge themselves to bet.
Its possible there is more than just AI involved in determining the bets. Who knows. But yes. Many billions.
Yup, I agree.
I'm going to speak to some people and look for answers.
I'm a nobody VIP but I'll push it a bit.
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True, he's a huge gambling influencer. But how big in the horse race betting space? Barstool exploded when sports gambling got legalized and while horse gamblers bet sports (and always have), I'm not sure a lot of newer/younger sports bettors cross into horse race betting. They see 20% rake, 2x sports vig... I don't think so.
Saratoga and Keeneland and Del Mar draw younger but that's it. And that's where we see Portnoy show up and do a few bits for his shows or post on X.
I follow Portnoy on X and his "I Quit" posts draw 1000s of "Me Too's" but I doubt 5% of those replying bet horses.
And yes, the tracks owning CAWs is deplorable.
Your question is a tough one. I dont know. Barstoll is confident he is substantial enough to move the dial. i am certain however that he is more influential to gambling on racing than anyone else. By a lot.
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Your question is a tough one. I dont know. Barstoll is confident he is substantial enough to move the dial. i am certain however that he is more influential to gambling on racing than anyone else. By a lot.
You're more certain and optimistic than me and I hope I'm wrong.
I see these races at big tracks where the win odds are absolutely useless. There was a race today at Keeneland, the 6th. In the last 15 seconds of betting, the odds on the favorite went from 3/1 to 3/2. Cut in half. Paulick posted on it
https://x.com/raypaulick/status/1980002044925903078
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You're more certain and optimistic than me and I hope I'm wrong.
I see these races at big tracks where the win odds are absolutely useless. There was a race today at Keeneland, the 6th. In the last 15 seconds of betting, the odds on the favorite went from 3/1 to 3/2. Cut in half. Paulick posted on it
https://x.com/raypaulick/status/1980002044925903078
Interesting race, 13 and JV had the 11 almost pinned to the rail and AC couldn't even really use his whip, but he feigned the whip in the last strides. He was never losing that race.
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He'll have a fraction so low it will be considered ZERO influence.
The honest horseman need to do a NA walkout.
Let them scratch 3/4's of all the horse and see if they can make a card.
The gamblers should be thrilled, and then we're all in solidarity.
We basically have the same gripe however it affects us differently but same bottom line.
CAW is probably illegal is the theory and that should be pursued.
A day after swearing off race betting (after the Breeders Cup), here's Portnoy today after firster Wondergir Carly runs off.
https://x.com/i/status/1980362832760959079
He didn't last as long as it takes to defrost a pork chop.
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A day after swearing off race betting (after the Breeders Cup), here's Portnoy today after firster Wondergir Carly runs off.
https://x.com/i/status/1980362832760959079
He didn't last as long as it takes to defrost a pork chop.
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I don't think he'll be leading the revolution. ngc3
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https://www.si.com/onsi/horse-racing/analysis/is-portnoy-the-spartacus-that-horseplayers-need-in-the-war-against-caws
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https://www.si.com/onsi/horse-racing/analysis/is-portnoy-the-spartacus-that-horseplayers-need-in-the-war-against-caws
His level of fortitude has been exposed, didn't quit, or divest, I wonder what he's going to do when he gets his invitation to join a CAW? ngc3
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His level of fortitude has been exposed, didn't quit, or divest, I wonder what he's going to do when he gets his invitation to join a CAW? ngc3
They may be too greedy to make an offer.
Imagine these tracks charging themselves no takeout and having the ability to bet after everyone else after analyzing all our bets. They aren't going to share that cash machine with many people.
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I dont know David Portnoy but I seem to be cashing my share and having fun!!
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I dont know David Portnoy but I seem to be cashing my share and having fun!!
You for sure are associatedwith track management in some way.
Only people in the world who think gambling on racing is about "cashing" tickets.
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I dont know David Portnoy but I seem to be cashing my share and having fun!!
All that ass kissing you do, I'm sure they throw you a bone for mucking their stalls too. ngc3
800 emojis a week, you and every 4 yo is having a blast. ngc3
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Now all Portnoy needs is a nose transplant.
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Gambling always feeds on itself.
For example, in the 1960s, there was no:
Megamillions or Powerball
Casinos outside Las Vegas
App Sports betting
In 1976, AC came along. My uncle told me on his 1st visit to AC he saw a dozen familiar faces from Brandywine playing blackjack.
Lotteries popped up in a bunch of states.
Then, Delaware got racinos at Dover Downs, Delaware Park, etc.
Now, Casinos in Philadelphia area and throughout Pennsylvania.
15 apps to bet the NFL and College
Each of these took a little something away from parimutuel wagering. It can't sustain system wagering too.
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I don't know if he quit betting on horses or not. He's a capitalist. He is not going to take up this fight. A national boycott, even including the biggest gamblers (non-CAW bettors) will not work either. There's no staying power to that. First, track ownership/management needs the CAW dollars. At least they do now. Second, they are simply convinced that the impact of the CAW's on all other bettors is "tolerable" or "bearable"-----and that belief in part comes from because people keep betting. Albeit less, but they keep betting. The tracks know that there will always be a sucker. That is where bettors have to hit them and show them otherwise.
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Gambling always feeds on itself.
For example, in the 1960s, there was no:
Megamillions or Powerball
Casinos outside Las Vegas
App Sports betting
In 1976, AC came along. My uncle told me on his 1st visit to AC he saw a dozen familiar faces from Brandywine playing blackjack.
Lotteries popped up in a bunch of states.
Then, Delaware got racinos at Dover Downs, Delaware Park, etc.
Now, Casinos in Philadelphia area and throughout Pennsylvania.
15 apps to bet the NFL and College
Each of these took a little something away from parimutuel wagering. It can't sustain system wagering too.
I like your nostalgia, different times, better times.
Even within the government games of chance, and I even started a thread in OT here how they fucked up the actual lottery aka lotto, a flagship game diminished to nothing because of PBall Mega.
Nothing took away anything from pari-mutual wagering, the greed and corruption is incessant therein and includes the regulatory which are too and or plan dumb.
It's a divorce of irreconcilable differences, it happens because the marriage has failed NOT BECAUSE there's been plenty of fish in the sea.
Hong Kong racing is doing great, better each year. We made a thread on that here too. Gamblers are loving that product, Adws are offering super promotions to wager on it, you ever wonder why it works and this doesn't.
Scumbags are plentiful in NA Harness Racing (T-bred too)!
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Now all Portnoy needs is a nose transplant.
nice Jewish boy you're throwing that slur at..
Where is the Plops Anti defamation crew? They ought to flay your diabetic ass for that.
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nice Jewish boy you're throwing that slur at..
Where is the Plops Anti defamation crew? They ought to flay your diabetic ass for that.
"He was reported in June 2025 as discussing Greta Thunberg delivering aid to Gaza on a boat, with him saying: "she’s sailing there … and I hope they hit a fucking missile on her boat. Knock that boat down."
He's an extreme cunty kike, even the Israeli forces detained and just deported her.
Takes a big man sitting from a position of wealth living under the protection of a powerful country to bomb a child bringing another child, food and aid.
Fuck organized religion, don't get me started ngc3
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Fuck Portnoy.
3 yo.filly he paid $650k for as a yearling doesn't run until 2+ years later. Beats nothing at Parx for 50k purse while same class is running for 100k at Keeneland.
So he's out 750k+ including 2 yrs of bills. And he does backflips..
I get he's entitled .. it's his first winner I believe, but fuck him.
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https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/barstool-sports-founder-accused-of-rape-loses-insider-libel-suit
https://www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2022/david-portnoy-lawsuit-1234660299/
https://www.businessinsider.com/barstool-sports-dave-portnoy-sex-choking-violent-stoolies
https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/11/04/frightening-sex-allegations-made-against-barstool-sports-founder-portnoy-which-he-denies-in-video/
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/sexual-assault-group-campaigns-to-shut-down-barstool/
here is your hero
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Fuck Portnoy.
3 yo.filly he paid $650k for as a yearling doesn't run until 2+ years later. Beats nothing at Parx for 50k purse while same class is running for 100k at Keeneland.
So he's out 750k+ including 2 yrs of bills. And he does backflips..
I get he's entitled .. it's his first winner I believe, but fuck him.
Is there anyone else with enough influence to address this? Were gonna go down with repole and cummings?
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Is there anyone else with enough influence to address this? Were gonna go down with repole and cummings?
The fucking disenfranchised horseman not using epos, busting their ass losing their owners, sweating and going broke need to step up.
Gamblers been stepping up for years by standing down, leave us the fuck alone already.
Let all these 12% and less guys and gals walk out, they'll 80% scratch, and there will be no gambling until areas are reformed, then we'll toss in CAWS.