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dougie

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I've been out of racing for almost 40 years, but the problems Mike points out are obviously an issue in harness racing. None of us should be naive enough to admit that the almighty dollar doesn't takes precedent in the sport. But the cruelty to these noble animals who lost their ability to create income is heartbreaking. People asking "what's the solution?" know some of the answers themselves. To me it's twofold. Government, whether on a state or federal level must step in and enact legislation to criminalize any cruelty/harm to the horses. Secondly, and even more difficult to envision is the sport itself "cleaning up it's act". Without members of the harness racing community being directly involved with the safety and well being of it's horses, these horrible acts will continue. I'm sure many here on Plop have ideas how to help these horses.

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Thanks for posting! That's one saved by EAA!!!  tmbz1

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« Reply #33 on: Today at 10:56:01 AM »
Actually it was former owners who saved her.
They were the ones who paid the money
:)

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« Reply #34 on: Today at 10:57:16 AM »
Actually it was former owners who saved her.
They were the ones who paid the money
:)
you took the words right out of my mouth! It's amazing but a bullshit artist this guy is

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« Reply #35 on: Today at 10:58:52 AM »
Actually it was former owners who saved her.
They were the ones who paid the money
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RIGHT! After they saw her ON EAA AND BROTHER BEAR!!! Thanks!!! It works!!!!

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RIGHT! After they saw her ON EAA AND BROTHER BEAR!!! Thanks!!! It works!!!!
That didn't happen


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« Reply #37 on: Today at 11:16:51 AM »
I've been out of racing for almost 40 years, but the problems Mike points out are obviously an issue in harness racing. None of us should be naive enough to admit that the almighty dollar doesn't takes precedent in the sport. But the cruelty to these noble animals who lost their ability to create income is heartbreaking. People asking "what's the solution?" know some of the answers themselves. To me it's twofold. Government, whether on a state or federal level must step in and enact legislation to criminalize any cruelty/harm to the horses. Secondly, and even more difficult to envision is the sport itself "cleaning up it's act". Without members of the harness racing community being directly involved with the safety and well being of it's horses, these horrible acts will continue. I'm sure many here on Plop have ideas how to help these horses.

Dougie, I agree with everything you have said, but those are goals and objectives, they aren't "solutions".

Animal cruelty laws are already in place across the US and Canada.
What enhancement of those laws are you looking for?

As far as the safety and well being of harness horses, what are the top 3 causes of lack of safety and well being for them and what are the first 3 things you would do to improve their safety and well being?

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« Reply #38 on: Today at 11:18:36 AM »
Dougie, I agree with everything you have said, but those are goals and objectives, they aren't "solutions".

Animal cruelty laws are already in place across the US and Canada.
What enhancement of those laws are you looking for?

As far as the safety and well being of harness horses, what are the top 3 causes of lack of safety and well being for them and what are the first 3 things you would do to improve their safety and well being?

Your industry creates the problem at foaling. Too many to absorb. So what's the only solution??? It's pretty obvious, but yesterday you were also the same person who posted that NOBODY freeze brands anymore. I corrected that pretty quick now didn't I? Maybe YOU don't want your horses identifiable by eye in the pens. Tells me a lot about you!

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« Reply #39 on: Today at 11:23:56 AM »
That didn't happen

Mike says it did1   tmbz1

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« Reply #40 on: Today at 11:26:45 AM »
Your industry creates the problem at foaling. Too many to absorb. So what's the only solution??? It's pretty obvious, but yesterday you were also the same person who posted that NOBODY freeze brands anymore. I corrected that pretty quick now didn't I? Maybe YOU don't want your horses identifiable by eye in the pens. Tells me a lot about you!

I am discussing the issue because I am interested in what people think the actual solutions are.
Mike, you are great with the problem identification, (the easy part) but are limited on expressing clear solutions.
You say it's pretty obvious.   Well then state the obvious?

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« Reply #41 on: Today at 11:29:25 AM »
I am discussing the issue because I am interested in what people think the actual solutions are.
Mike, you are great with the problem identification, (the easy part) but are limited on expressing clear solutions.
You say it's pretty obvious.   Well then state the obvious?

Stop the supply!!! Does your industry address it with any effectiveness??? Obviously not. It creates these animals and trashes them by the thousands each year, those are just the one's we know about. The issue start with ALL of you, even me when I was in the game. Supply with no demand after the industry tosses them. And sanctuaries are totally unrealistic. Not to mention the rest of the horses in the country tossed by other disciplines and racing industries.

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Stop the supply!!! Does your industry address it with any effectiveness??? Obviously not. It creates these animals and trashes them by the thousands each year, those are just the one's we know about. The issue start with ALL of you, even me when I was in the game. Supply with no demand after the industry tosses them. And sanctuaries are totally unrealistic. Not to mention the rest of the horses in the country tossed by other disciplines and racing industries.

Do you know of any pipeline model with the actual of numbers of foals entering and horses leaving, that allows the industry to maintain itself?   Standardbred only.    If you create a balanced pipeline for one breed, it could be modeled for any other.

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Do you know of any pipeline model with the actual of numbers of foals entering and horses leaving, that allows the industry to maintain itself?   Standardbred only.    If you create a balanced pipeline for one breed, it could be modeled for any other.

DEA posts online the yearly export of Standardbreds out of the country for slaughter which is always over 2k. What do you me ME??? What about you??? All of you who breed and purchase these animals? You say YOU buy yearlings???? ADDING TO THE PROBLEM!!!!  ngc3

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DEA posts online the yearly export of Standardbreds out of the country for slaughter which is always over 2k. What do you me ME??? What about you??? All of you who breed and purchase these animals? You say YOU buy yearlings???? ADDING TO THE PROBLEM!!!!  ngc3
How come you’re not buying any horses Mike?
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