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TimTimTimbo
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Re: Ian Moore is the Greatest Trainer since Billy Haughton, Maybe
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September 23, 2026, 10:36:18 PM »
Here is a mile long Chat GPT i did this morning but forgot to post. Yeah Pelling will be impressive
Yes. And once I started digging into the sale records, I found some spectacular examples of Moore getting a horse for very little and turning it into a major money earner.
One important distinction: Moore has trained a lot of expensive horses that he did not personally own or buy, so Im separating horses where I can verify his involvement in the purchase from horses where he was simply the trainer.
Also, when you say what they sold for, Im assuming you mean what they brought at auction originally, and then what they later sold for if they were resold. Ill mark a later resale as not found rather than make one up.
The big Moore bargains
Horse Moore's purchase price Career earnings Later sale
State Treasurer $6,500 $2+ million No significant racing resale found
Shadow Play $16,000 $1,549,881 Became a major stallion
Century Farroh $17,000 about $1.3 million No racing resale found
Clever Cody $24,000 $546,332 No resale found
Stockade Seelster $45,000 substantial six-figure earnings
Beau Jangles $65,000 $2,035,857 as of Aug. 30, 2026
Lawless Shadow $52,000 $878,130
Percy Bluechip $110,000 $920,000+
Arthur Blue Chip Moore connection $552,759
1. State Treasurer this one is incredible
This is probably one of the best examples of what you're talking about.
Purchase price: only $6,500.
Paul and Sally MacDonald bought State Treasurer at the 2010 Harrisburg Black Book Yearling Sale for just $6,500. He subsequently earned more than $2 million during a six-year racing career.
And Moore trained him throughout his career.
That's a $6,500 → $2 million-plus horse.
And then State Treasurer became a stallion at Seelster Farms, so his value didn't stop when he retired.
2. Shadow Play the $16,000 horse
This is the one everybody remembers.
Yearling purchase: $16,000.
Moore was part-owner and trainer.
Shadow Play earned $1,549,881, won the Little Brown Jug, Adios and Windy City Pace, and established himself as one of the great stallions of his generation.
The really funny thing is that after his ordinary two-year-old season, Moore's group actually considered selling him at Harrisburg.
He had earned only $31,151 as a 2-year-old.
Then Moore trained him down in 1:54-type miles late that fall and decided there was something special there.
That turned out to be one hell of a decision.
And Shadow Play became an even bigger success as a sire. His offspring include Bulldog Hanover, Lady Shadow, Desperate Man and Percy Bluechip.
3. Century Farroh another ridiculous bargain
This one really fits your description.
Yearling price: $17,000.
Century Farroh eventually earned approximately $1.3 million.
In 2020 he won the Breeders Crown Open Pace for Moore, with a lifetime total of $1,232,188 already recorded after that victory.
Woodbine's later account puts his lifetime earnings at just under $1.3 million.
So:
$17,000 purchase → ~$1.3 million earnings.
That's about 76 times the purchase price in purse earnings alone.
4. Clever Cody $24,000
Here's another one I really like.
Moore and partners bought Clever Cody for only $24,000 at the Ohio Selected Jug Sale.
He subsequently became a $546,332 earner, with a 1:50.1 record.
So that's another case of:
$24,000 → $546,332
And Moore was using him as one of the horses that helped push another of his horses, Set Shot, because Set Shot had to keep up with Clever Cody during training.
5. Beau Jangles $65,000
This is the modern-day Shadow Play-type story.
Moore spotted him at the 2024 Harrisburg sale. He actually worried that Beau Jangles might be too big to keep sound as a 2-year-old, but liked the athleticism.
Moore predicted that he'd bring somewhere between $40,000 and $75,000.
He brought $65,000 U.S.
And look what happened.
He went 12-for-12 at two, including the Metro Pace and Breeders Crown.
And as of August 30, 2026, he had:
22 starts: 16 wins, 0 seconds, 2 thirds
$2,035,857 earnings
The $75,000 victory that day pushed him over the $2 million mark.
So:
$65,000 → $2,035,857
And he's not retired yet.
That's an extraordinary return.
6. Lawless Shadow $52,000
Another Shadow Play connection.
$52,000 yearling purchase at the 2019 London Selected Sale.
Lawless Shadow subsequently earned $878,130, including the $300,000 Max Hempt Memorial. Moore trained him and was an owner along with his longtime partners.
Again:
$52,000 → $878,130
7. Percy Bluechip $110,000
This is where Moore's buying strategy starts getting more expensive, but there's an interesting reason.
Percy Bluechip was a full sister to Arthur Blue Chip, whom Moore had trained.
Moore paid $110,000 for her at the 2016 Forest City Yearling Sale.
She ultimately earned approximately $920,000.
And interestingly, Percy herself later became a broodmare prospect. Ron Burke bought her in 2018, and she produced additional breeding value after her racing career.
8. Arthur Blue Chip
Arthur is another important Moore horse because he explains why Moore was willing to pay $110,000 for Percy.
Arthur Blue Chip earned $552,759, with a 1:50.1 mark, and was an O'Brien Award winner. Moore trained him.
So Moore wasn't just buying Percy based on the pedigree page he already knew exactly what that family could produce because he'd trained Arthur himself.
And there are some VERY interesting ones we should add
There are horses where Moore's purchase price wasn't $10,000$20,000, but he still identified tremendous talent.
For example:
Storm Shadow $165,000 yearling, Moore trained him, and he won the 2023 Breeders Crown 2-year-old colt pace. He had earned $223,560 at the time of the Breeders Crown profile.
Stockade Seelster $45,000 yearling. Moore trained him after advising the MacDonald family on the purchase. He became a major Ontario stakes horse.
Prince Hal Hanover $130,000 yearling, trained by Moore.
Set Shot $280,000 yearling, so this one wasn't a bargain, but Moore turned him into a significant stakes horse; he had earned $126,674 by June 2025.
And then there are the horses Moore has bought in recent years that haven't had enough time to establish their full value yet including Lyons Bulldog and Downtown Boogie. Lyons Bulldog was a $31,000 purchase at Lexington, while Downtown Boogie was $150,000.
The one that really jumps out
If I were looking strictly at purchase price versus eventual racing earnings, the three that immediately scream "Ian Moore" are:
State Treasurer $6,500 → $2+ million
Shadow Play $16,000 → $1.55 million
Century Farroh $17,000 → ~$1.3 million
And now Beau Jangles $65,000 → $2.036 million and counting.
That's a hell of a rιsumι for a trainer who has generally operated with a very small stable. His Hall of Fame profile says he has trained 69 horses that earned over $100,000, 14 over $500,000, and seven over $1 million, while generally averaging only 1015 horses in his stable.
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TimTimTimbo
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Re: Ian Moore is the Greatest Trainer since Billy Haughton, Maybe
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September 23, 2026, 10:48:49 PM »
I had to correct Chat GPT when he said Moore was also born in NZ and I did not know that he was born in Sheffield England
Absolutely. Brett Pelling is a fascinating comparison with Ian Moore, especially because both are New Zealand-born horsemen who made enormous names for themselves in North America, but their approaches and the kinds of horses they handled were somewhat different.
I checked the historical records rather than just relying on memory. One thing to flag up front: Pelling did not personally buy every great horse he trained, so for each horse I'll distinguish between purchase price known and trained by Pelling but purchased/owned by someone else.
Brett Pelling the career
Pelling was born in Mataura, New Zealand, in 1958. He became a dominant trainer in North America during the late 1990s and early 2000s, left racing and moved back to Australia in 2006, then returned to New Jersey in 2017. His comeback produced another extraordinary group of horses.
He won the Dan Patch Trainer of the Year in 1998 and has accumulated 13 Breeders Crown victories, which puts him tied for fourth all-time among trainers.
His stable at its peak was enormous by comparison with Moore's: around 50 racing horses plus another 15 potential horses, and the stable was averaging roughly $5 million annually during the height of his first American career.
The Pelling horses
1. The Panderosa $250,000 → $2.3 million
This is a great one to start with.
Purchase price: $250,000
In 1997, The Panderosa was purchased for $250,000. He went on to earn approximately $2.3 million, including the $1 million Meadowlands Pace.
Pelling trained him and turned him into one of the great stallions of his era.
That's:
$250,000 → $2.3 million
Not a bargain like Shadow Play, but an enormous racing return.
And Pelling himself has talked extensively about The Panderosa and the infamous controversy surrounding the horse, which is one of the reasons Pelling's career has a few more complicated chapters than Moore's.
2. Rocknroll Hanover $190,000 → $2.754 million
This is probably Pelling's signature horse.
Purchase price: $190,000
Jeffrey Snyder bought Rocknroll Hanover at Harrisburg for $190,000 in 2003.
Pelling trained him.
And at three he became spectacular:
Meadowlands Pace
North America Cup
Breeders Crown
2005 Horse of the Year
Lifetime earnings: $2,754,038
Record: 1:48.3
So:
$190,000 → $2.754 million
And then there's the part that makes Rocknroll even more important: he became a hugely influential sire.
Pelling has said Rocknroll was probably the best horse he ever trained until Papi Rob came along.
3. Western Ideal no sale price; $1.455 million
This one is interesting because Pelling didn't develop him from a yearling.
Western Ideal was bred and retained by Brittany Farms. He had already been a very good 2-year-old for Gene Riegle and suffered a serious tendon injury.
Pelling picked him up when he was four.
He subsequently earned:
$1,455,422
and took a 1:48 record.
His major wins included:
Breeders Crown
William Haughton Memorial
Canadian Pacing Derby
Graduate Series
And Pelling considered Western Ideal one of the three best horses he'd ever trained, along with Rocknroll Hanover and Papi Rob.
4. Armbro Operative
This is one of the horses that really established Pelling as a major trainer.
He won the 1996 Little Brown Jug and 1996 Breeders Crown, among other major races.
What's interesting is that Pelling specifically remembered him as a horse with a lot of problems but tremendous ability when the money was on the line.
Pelling said they raced him nine times for purses of $100,000 or more and he won every one of those races.
That's classic Pelling.
5. Shady Character
This was another huge Pelling 3-year-old.
1998 Little Brown Jug winner
He also won:
Cane Pace
Art Rooney Pace
New Jersey Classic
two legs of the Pacing Triple Crown
Career earnings:
$1,225,905
And 1998 was one of the greatest years of Pelling's career.
He actually swept the Jug and Jugette eliminations and finals that year.
His horses included:
Shady Character Little Brown Jug
Armbro Romance Jugette
Pan Yankees Jugette
Pelling himself has called that 1998 Jug/Jugette achievement one of his proudest accomplishments.
6. Armbro Romance
This is another horse that fits the Pelling rιsumι perfectly.
She became the first female pacer to break 1:50, pacing 1:49.4 in 1998.
Her career earnings were:
$794,375
She was one of Pelling's great pacing fillies and was the horse who made that extraordinary 1998 Jugette campaign possible.
7. Juliet's Fate $55,000 → major stakes winner
Here's a horse with an actual purchase price.
$55,000 yearling
Allen and Connie Skolnick's Southwind Farms bought Juliet's Fate for $55,000.
Pelling trained her to the:
1998 Breeders Crown 2-Year-Old Filly Pace
She won six of nine that season and set a national season's mark of 1:52.
So this is another example of Pelling taking a relatively modestly priced yearling and putting her into a Breeders Crown winner's circle.
8. Caviart Ally
This one is particularly important because she represents Pelling's comeback.
She was already an accomplished mare when she joined Pelling's stable in 2019, so she was not a Pelling purchase.
But look what he did with her.
Career:
87 starts 28 wins 23 seconds 15 thirds
$1,974,971
She won the:
2019 Breeders Crown Mare Pace
2019 Milton Stakes
Blue Chip Matchmaker
numerous major mare stakes
She finished her career just $25,029 short of $2 million.
And she went out a winner.
9. Test Of Faith $92,000 → $2.416 million
Now THIS is one that belongs in the Pelling bargain book.
Test Of Faith was bought at Harrisburg in 2019 for:
$92,000
Mel Segal bought her after having Pelling inspect her.
Pelling trained her.
And she became:
2021 Horse of the Year
Her career earnings ended at:
$2,416,011
with a world-record 1:47.
So:
$92,000 → $2.416 million
That's approximately 26 times the purchase price in purse earnings.
That's a hell of a horse.
10. Papi Rob Hanover
This is the horse Pelling himself says was the best horse he ever trained.
And I wouldn't classify him as a bargain because he was bred by Hanover Shoe Farms and was a highly regarded horse.
Papi Rob earned more than $1 million and set a world record of 1:47.1 on a 5/8-mile track.
The really sad part is that his career ended because of a freak accident. Pelling said he believed Papi Rob could have broken numerous records had he remained healthy.
Pelling has continued to have a particular interest in Papi Rob's offspring.
11. Confederate HOME BRED → $2,077,554
This is Pelling's other modern masterpiece.
And there's no auction price.
Confederate was:
Diamond Creek homebred
Pelling trained him.
At three:
15 starts 13 wins 1 second
He won:
Meadowlands Pace
Breeders Crown
Cane Pace
Max Hempt
Tattersalls
Kentucky Sires Stakes Championship
And he paced 1:46.1, which at the time was the fastest 3-year-old pacing mile ever.
Lifetime earnings:
$2,077,554
So in this case:
Homebred → $2.078 million
And Pelling said Confederate was faster than any other horse he'd ever been around.
12. Allywag Hanover
Another very good modern Pelling horse.
He was a Hanover Shoe Farms yearling sold at the 2018 Standardbred Horse Sale and eventually became a 1:46 horse.
Career earnings:
$1,888,581
Pelling trained him for Allywag Stable.
I haven't found a sufficiently reliable source yet giving me the exact auction price, so I'm not going to invent one.
The really interesting comparison: Moore vs. Pelling
This is where I think your original observation about Ian Moore gets really interesting.
Ian Moore
Some of Moore's astonishing purchases:
Horse Purchase Earnings
State Treasurer $6,500 $2M+
Shadow Play $16,000 $1.55M
Century Farroh $17,000 ~$1.3M
Clever Cody $24,000 $546K
Beau Jangles $65,000 $2.036M+
Brett Pelling
Horse Purchase Earnings
Juliet's Fate $55,000 major stakes winner
Test Of Faith $92,000 $2.416M
Rocknroll Hanover $190,000 $2.754M
The Panderosa $250,000 ~$2.3M
Confederate homebred $2.078M
Caviart Ally not Pelling purchase $1.975M
Western Ideal not Pelling purchase $1.455M
Shady Character purchase price not verified $1.226M
And there's a major difference:
Moore is particularly fascinating as a buyer.
Pelling's genius was much more often taking an already valuable horse and turning it into a champion, although he certainly had some outstanding buys of his own.
Pelling's rιsumι is also almost absurd when you look at the championship races. He has 13 Breeders Crown wins, and his horses have won the Meadowlands Pace five times, including Confederate in 2023.
And one thing I think you'll especially appreciate: Pelling himself says Rocknroll Hanover was his best horse, while Ian Moore's rιsumι has Shadow Play as the obvious centerpiece. Both were New Zealand-born trainers who found their way to North America and became major figures in American/Canadian pacing.
If you want, I can do the really fun version next:
Pelling's 20 greatest horses ranked only by achievement year, purchase price, earnings, major stakes wins, record, and what happened to the horse afterward. That would include The Panderosa, Rocknroll Hanover, Western Ideal, Armbro Operative, Shady Character, Armbro Romance, Mystical Maddy, Test Of Faith, Papi Rob, Caviart Ally, Allywag and Confederate, among others.
Wasn't moore born in Canada
You're right to question that. I misstated it earlier.
Dr. Ian Moore was born in Sheffield, England, not Canada. His parents were British, and the family moved to Montreal when Ian was four. He then moved east and grew up on Prince Edward Island, which is why he's generally regarded as a PEI/Canadian horseman.
So the accurate version is:
🇬🇧 Born: Sheffield, England
🇨🇦 Moved to Canada: age 4, Montreal
🇨🇦 Raised: Prince Edward Island
🐴 Started in harness racing: around age 12 at Summerside Raceway
🎓 Veterinarian: graduated from Ontario Veterinary College in 1982
🇨🇦 Canadian horseman: absolutely his entire racing identity and career are overwhelmingly Canadian.
And there's a neat detail: his father was also a veterinarian, and Ian eventually followed that path while continuing to train horses. His early horses actually helped pay his way through veterinary school.
So when I said earlier that both Moore and Pelling were New Zealand-born, that was wrong. Pelling is the New Zealand-born one; Moore is English-born but Canadian-raised.
And honestly, that makes Moore's story even more interesting a British-born kid who grows up on PEI, gets hooked on harness racing at 12, becomes a veterinarian, and eventually becomes one of Canada's greatest trainers.
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A better question is how did he crash into Sarah Svanstedt on the track at Mohawk a while ago?
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