What are the best past performance forms?

[Trigger]

replays are the best past preformences

 

Definitely for the harness qua's and t-bred w/o's and I still watch their pm races too.

Just more difficult to rely on when more and more use their chemistry sets in between races   

Track configurations too, some horses favor, like or don't like, gain or lose an edge...when they move around a bit.

[Papillon]

replays are the best past preformences

absolutely...well said and a very simple concept

[gogasgoboom]

Do any of the harness programs somehow designate the first over horse from the other parked out horses?

[Trigger]

Do any of the harness programs somehow designate the first over horse from the other parked out horses?

Not more than their position and matching up to the replay and charts....and ° for first over and °° for 3-wide?...Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't one of the features we used love about the Sports Eye was race notes on the far right of each line, like in the t-bred forms?

[SRP22]

What in living hell is a "numper" anyway?  This post just illustrates to me how so many horse people are uneducated dip shits who can't spell or write a sentence correctly.

It's a dead game laddie

[SRP22]

this is actually an excellent topic to start a thread about




we all have our own opinions and methods we use as far as past performances go....having said that I have a very unpopular view of the most revered, famous tool used by most--the Beyer figure

the most over rated, over hyped, subjective number out there is the Beyer fig--but many are completely obsessed by it

Beyer numpers do not take into account what "path" a horse has taken, how much ground was covered/lost during the running of the race. Two people, Randy Moss(the bald white guy not the GOAT wide receiver) and Dick Jerardi(local philly college basketball beat writer) perform most of the Beyers nationwide--and they are not objective--they make up numpers based on if they like/dislike a horse

I can vividly recall California Chrome and Zenyatta--two of the most popular horses that the pom pom waving Cali media ever saw--having points arbitrarily added to their races, because the fans liked them. One race Chrome won--the fans were very upset that the number assigned wasn't high enough for them--so Andy Beyer himself instructed his minions to freely add 10 points to his race a month after the race was run--to satisfy his fans and popularity.
The same was done with Zenyatta a couple of times

now I can appreciate that "fan popularity" is important to the success of the sport--as the game needs heroes--but to add numpers without merit to popular horses is not what I consider objective-but then again I am not from California.

the Beyer numpers has made many fans/bettors/handicappers simply flat out lazy--instead of really digging into the data--they just obsessively stare at that "bolded" numper in the DRF.... its faster, easier and doesn't require much work or skill--but most are of the belief the numper is scientific, which is completely misguided thinking. ...the DRF makes millions off the lazy people who blindly believe that numper

Beyer numbers  are affected by internals. Who or what are making the variant.....you get what you pay for.

[Dingus]

I’ve always had a theory with the numbers for harness races:  it’s not where you finish. It’s how you got there.

[PIGLAND]

Dan Nants has the best numpers by far

[Papillon]

The Beyer Speed Figure for the Tampa Bay Derby was changed for a second time. The Puma, who won the race, has now been assigned a 94 Beyer for his victory. The Beyer was initially a 95 but was soon changed to an 89.

After The Puma came back to run second, beaten a nose, in the Grade 1 Florida Derby on March 28 and Further Ado, second in the Tampa Bay Derby, came back to win last Saturday’s Grade 1 Blue Grass Stakes by 11 lengths with a 106 Beyer, the Tampa Bay Derby figure was re-adjusted to a 94.

Horses who won maiden races at Tampa in February also had a big day on Saturday at Aqueduct, with Albus winning the Grade 2 Wood Memorial and Always a Runner taking the Grade 3 Gazelle for 3-year-old fillies.

.......this is what I was referring to previously