Cullipher and Bucci

[Harness racer]

Cullipher did not get days. You people know nothing.

They are coming, thus the trainer change.   You think Pollack just transferred 100s of thousands of dollars worth of horses to Enrico for no reason?  And I'm sure this guy will be the best Enrico since Enrico Pallazzo!   

[silent one]

are you going to punish every owner and suspend all of his/her horses because one of them (and the trainer) came up positive?

   Absolutely!!! It would immediately end Burke, Weaver, Bruscemi from having half of the horses in a stake race. OWNER                       
   RESPONSIBILITY!!! There are absolutely ZERO CONSEQUENCES for scumbags who leave their horses in the care of
   chemists. Do you think an owner with a 15-20 horse barn would risk having his entire operation shut down by using an
   Allard. The corrupt, so called, sport is in a quickening death spiral. Immediate, and drastic measures are needed, if this
   so called sport wants to survive. This industry has been living on welfare for decades. The welfare is going to go away,
   sooner or later.

     Sincerely, Silent One

[darnoldrocks]

Should be an owner/trainer/horse suspension process.
1st violation by the trio, purse returned, trainer and horse suspended.
2nd violation by the duo of owner/trainer, doesn't have to be the same horse, horse, trainer and owner suspended, purse returned.
3rd violation by owner, doesn't have to be same trainer or horse, horse, trainer and owner suspended, purse returned.

As with multiple suspensions now, the length of suspension and size of fine goes up with each violation against the trainer, horse or owner. 
 

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are you going to punish every owner and suspend all of his/her horses because one of them (and the trainer) came up positive?

   Absolutely!!! It would immediately end Burke, Weaver, Bruscemi from having half of the horses in a stake race. OWNER                       
   RESPONSIBILITY!!! There are absolutely ZERO CONSEQUENCES for scumbags who leave their horses in the care of
   chemists. Do you think an owner with a 15-20 horse barn would risk having his entire operation shut down by using an
   Allard. The corrupt, so called, sport is in a quickening death spiral. Immediate, and drastic measures are needed, if this
   so called sport wants to survive. This industry has been living on welfare for decades. The welfare is going to go away,
   sooner or later.

     Sincerely, Silent One

   EVERY sport is corrupt along with business and politics. Ya wanna shut down everything!!

[Harness racer]

are you going to punish every owner and suspend all of his/her horses because one of them (and the trainer) came up positive?

   Absolutely!!! It would immediately end Burke, Weaver, Bruscemi from having half of the horses in a stake race. OWNER                       
   RESPONSIBILITY!!! There are absolutely ZERO CONSEQUENCES for scumbags who leave their horses in the care of
   chemists. Do you think an owner with a 15-20 horse barn would risk having his entire operation shut down by using an
   Allard. The corrupt, so called, sport is in a quickening death spiral. Immediate, and drastic measures are needed, if this
   so called sport wants to survive. This industry has been living on welfare for decades. The welfare is going to go away,
   sooner or later.

     Sincerely, Silent One

Of course not the whole barn.  The horse should get 30 days off.  The investigators should be paying visits to make sure the suspended trainer is nowhere to be found.  Horse should at least be moved to a different location to give the appearance of moving barns.  These horses never leave their stall or the current operation.  Just another employee's name is down.

[Grandstand Handicapper]

Things were different many years ago. It had a lot to do with trainers being stabled at the track. Comparing the Remmen brothers to the cheaters of today is apples to oranges. Legit trainers with knowledge vs. chemists who train horses.

I wasn't comparing the Remmen brothers to cheaters of today, and I wasn't speaking to horsemanship, training ability, etc. If it wasn't obvious to you, I was speaking to the protocol of listing a trainer. Nothing more.

I've long said the problem is deep-rooted. Years ago, NYRA and/or New York State Gaming Commission caught Rick Dutrow-----while he was on suspension. He got days, the horses stayed exactly where they were, and raced under his assistant's name. But, they caught Dutrow for talking to his "assistant" trainer (employees) about the horses, talking to his owners, billing his owners, receiving the monies (yes, his owners paid his bill knowing full well he was on suspension), and so on. They caught him because they looked! Our sport is where it is because too many authorities, governing bodies, etc., don't look, and when they do, they turn a blind eye to it. Period.

[toothman]

I wasn't comparing the Remmen brothers to cheaters of today, and I wasn't speaking to horsemanship, training ability, etc. If it wasn't obvious to you, I was speaking to the protocol of listing a trainer. Nothing more.

I've long said the problem is deep-rooted. Years ago, NYRA and/or New York State Gaming Commission caught Rick Dutrow-----while he was on suspension. He got days, the horses stayed exactly where they were, and raced under his assistant's name. But, they caught Dutrow for talking to his "assistant" trainer (employees) about the horses, talking to his owners, billing his owners, receiving the monies (yes, his owners paid his bill knowing full well he was on suspension), and so on. They caught him because they looked! Our sport is where it is because too many authorities, governing bodies, etc., don't look, and when they do, they turn a blind eye to it. Period.


It’s the age old vicious cycle. Powers that be are so afraid of bad publicity, they don’t look anywhere that could create it.
And within the business, there are no secrets, but no one wants to be a “rat”
And here we are.