Is harness racing thriving?

[old guy]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  Back in the early 70s when OTB was introduced in NY Mr Haughton went to Albany and had a chance to speak and told them if people didn't have to go to the track to bet there would be a day when there would be no fans at the track. He seems to have been right. On track betting pays back over 10% to the track while online and simulcast pays about 2%.

Howard Samuels the first czar of OTB set it up to empty tracks and provide himself a hefty salary and closing of Roosevelt by the ways Haughton spoke of.

[simplify]

   Who cares where the money comes from as long as the horsemen and owners get it??

Huh? Really. Check out the handle at the red mile in Lexington yesterday vs. Keeneland in Lexington. It's pitiful. NOBODY cares

[dougie]

Howard Samuels the first czar of OTB set it up to empty tracks and provide himself a hefty salary and closing of Roosevelt by the ways Haughton spoke of.

My Mom (Rest In Peace) was one of the first hired for OTB. Sadly, my Dad (Rest In Peace) wouldn't allow her to take the train from Brooklyn to the Wall Street location.  So she turned the job down. In the end, I think OTB hurt on track attendance big time.

[kantseeback]

My Mom (Rest In Peace) was one of the first hired for OTB. Sadly, my Dad (Rest In Peace) wouldn't allow her to take the train from Brooklyn to the Wall Street location.  So she turned the job down. In the end, I think OTB hurt on track attendance big time.

I know someone who was in the same position as your mom but took the position, now she has a nice 30-year pension with NYC OTB and went on to work for one of Gural's off track betting sites.

BTW - she also lived in Brooklyn and still does, she still works for Gural but always complains about those tolls, Bayonne bridge, Verrazano etc.

[simplify]

To further the point with the ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS "harness racing is thriving" post.

Red mile-     Lexington Race 1. $33,000 pool       $80,000 purse.
Keeneland    Lexington Race 1. $640,000 pool.    $50,000 purse.

48x the differential vs purse.  Thriving. Not!

[NOTHING BUT TRUTHS]

   Who cares where the money comes from as long as the horsemen and owners get it??

we all knew you weren't very smart.

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we all knew you weren't very smart.

      I'm fairly certain when the owners, trainers, drivers, grooms, vets, feed and hay suppliers get their checks they arent overly concerned where they come from!

[MTP1972]

Your buddy changed names again as is now NOTHING BUT TRUTHS.

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Your buddy changed names again as is now NOTHING BUT TRUTHS.

   Childish, yes?     

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we all knew you weren't very smart.

     

      Why dont you use your powerful brain and enlighten us, yes? 

[John Moody]

horsemen should not be getting 1 penny from casinos

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horsemen should not be getting 1 penny from casinos

   you're entitled to your opinion I guess

[Any1Left]

      I'm fairly certain when the owners, trainers, drivers, grooms, vets, feed and hay suppliers get their checks they arent overly concerned where they come from!

Al CAPONE had people working for him that thought the same way and cartels in SOUTH AMERICA have many workers that feel the same way,   Pacer do you buy things from people that steal the products you are buying as why would you care as long as it helps you

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Al CAPONE had people working for him that thought the same way and cartels in SOUTH AMERICA have many workers that feel the same way,   Pacer do you buy things from people that steal the products you are buying as why would you care as long as it helps you

            Stealing is illegal no comparison.   Are Government grants, and programs stealing also?

[pocketrocketwinner]

      I'm fairly certain when the owners, trainers, drivers, grooms, vets, feed and hay suppliers get their checks they arent overly concerned where they come from!

Im fairly certain that the people at Pompano were concerned when they were no longer receiving any checks