Talk Dark Stranger will Destroy the Breed

[Third Over]

That hits HARD.!! Good read/analysis tho, but harness racing will be in serious jeopardy in 10-20 yrs so it won't matter..

[Lance]

Could be a great broodmare sire. Many duds have been.

Nihilator was a dud….one of the best broodmare sites of all time.

[Kenny]

"TDS did nothing to match that"  Yeah, winning the Meadowlands Pace, The NA Cup and The Cane is nothing 

Party Girl Hill did the equivalent and then went to Lexington AND beat the colts. If TDS would have raced older horses that would have put him in the class of Party Girl Hill beating the boys.

[Parked]

TDS was a very fast rat !!!  Remember both wins at Lex as a 3 year old ?? Yannick got fined for excessive use of the whip both times..  That turned me off.  Looked at 0 of his get. Saved me a ton of $$$..

[Ramnap]

Its not what you pay for them its what you give to them that makes them win. Come on we have been over this time and time again.

[JIDGE]

TDS was a very fast rat !!!  Remember both wins at Lex as a 3 year old ?? Yannick got fined for excessive use of the whip both times..  That turned me off.  Looked at 0 of his get. Saved me a ton of $$$..

You might want to take another look. 3 wins last night at the Red Mile and 3 seconds, including a hard closing second to Brandon Blvd in the feature.

[Kenny]

You might want to take another look. 3 wins last night at the Red Mile and 3 seconds, including a hard closing second to Brandon Blvd in the feature.

The real story:

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=earnings&gait=P&yr=2025&age=2

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=avg&gait=P&yr=2025&age=2

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=earnings&gait=P&yr=2025&age=3

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=avg&gait=P&yr=2025&age=3

Not great.

[JIDGE]

The real story:

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=earnings&gait=P&yr=2025&age=2

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=avg&gait=P&yr=2025&age=2

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=earnings&gait=P&yr=2025&age=3

https://www.ustrotting.com/trackside/sire_stats/stats.cfm?type=avg&gait=P&yr=2025&age=3

Not great.

You're right he's not great -- but he is competent. And second crop is proving better than his first.

[MIKE CAMPBELL]

Party Girl Hill did the equivalent and then went to Lexington AND beat the colts. If TDS would have raced older horses that would have put him in the class of Party Girl Hill beating the boys.

Big fucking deal. So she beat colts. I thought this was a discussion between her and TDS.

[Brown jug]

legit and interesting topic, better than 99% of them on this site
as a commercial stallion he is done , none and i mean none of the mares he got in the first two years will be bred back to him
 some of those mares doubled down in year one and two and many were young captain mares or slightly older sbsw mares
to the writers point now those mares need to make a recovery, not their fault that the tds blood added very little, they will now get bred to confederate, cannibal , huntsville, legendary hanover etc to try and get back on track
but these tds foals will not regress the bred, its a blip on the radar, the 50% that are colts will be raced wherever they fit, the 50% that are females and especially the well bred ones will be given a chance to see if they can overcome tds being their sire and have their maternal lineage shine through

having said that if he continues to have a decent year this year and even next year  at $8k stud fee he will get takers, especially those in PA sires just looking for a decent horse and have no illusions of the grand circuit etc , but the top breeders and owners of the blue blood fillies will not be going back to tds
what will be interesting is how much does hanover continue to support tds with what quality mares they have
their website only shows 9 tds foals being born in 2024 ( selling this fall) and  13 foals born in 2025

hey , it happens , not every sire is going to hit
 

[SDST2009]

Nijinsky will be standing in NY next year. As told by The Answer weeks ago he is injured and done racing.

Maybe not quite done yet per article on Standardbred Canada.

[Lance]

legit and interesting topic, better than 99% of them on this site
as a commercial stallion he is done , none and i mean none of the mares he got in the first two years will be bred back to him
 some of those mares doubled down in year one and two and many were young captain mares or slightly older sbsw mares
to the writers point now those mares need to make a recovery, not their fault that the tds blood added very little, they will now get bred to confederate, cannibal , huntsville, legendary hanover etc to try and get back on track
but these tds foals will not regress the bred, its a blip on the radar, the 50% that are colts will be raced wherever they fit, the 50% that are females and especially the well bred ones will be given a chance to see if they can overcome tds being their sire and have their maternal lineage shine through

having said that if he continues to have a decent year this year and even next year  at $8k stud fee he will get takers, especially those in PA sires just looking for a decent horse and have no illusions of the grand circuit etc , but the top breeders and owners of the blue blood fillies will not be going back to tds
what will be interesting is how much does hanover continue to support tds with what quality mares they have
their website only shows 9 tds foals being born in 2024 ( selling this fall) and  13 foals born in 2025

hey , it happens , not every sire is going to hit

 Yea, you are right on with this post.   The mares will be fine, TDS will be a decent broodmare sire, I don't think that will be an issue.   He wasn't a total flop.....just not in the upper echelon of top sires.  And yes.....not every stud is a hit. 

[Lance]

Maybe not quite done yet per article on Standardbred Canada.

You'll see him back.....as far as a sire....who would have though being a Bettors Delight would kill your stallion career?