Ron Burke

[OF JENNY]

The issues people have with  burke is he has a bunch of possitives. Which is cheating. So he isnt taking anyone to court. He would lose. Multiple times he was cheating with illegal substances in horses he is responsible for.

[The Answer]

The issues people have with  burke is he has a bunch of possitives. Which is cheating. So he isnt taking anyone to court. He would lose. Multiple times he was cheating with illegal substances in horses he is responsible for.

His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.

[Pacer 2]

His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.

     

[Kenny]

The issues people have with  burke is he has a bunch of possitives. Which is cheating. So he isnt taking anyone to court. He would lose. Multiple times he was cheating with illegal substances in horses he is responsible for.

Did you actually research those positives? No!  All the trainers have had positives.  You might want to try spell check next time!

[Kenny]

His positives are minimal as a percentage of horses he races.

Correct and the ones I have seen are banned substances which are therapeutic but not PEDs.

[SDST2009]

Correct and the ones I have seen are banned substances which are therapeutic but not PEDs.

Kenny, I ask this genuinely: you post cartoons of Ake and seem to paint him as a cheat/abuser. Yet appear to worship Burke. Do you truly believe Burke is a better horseman than Ake? Have you seen either train horses?

I really cannot wrap my head around your perception, if so.

[Trigger]

Kenny, I ask this genuinely: you post cartoons of Ake and seem to paint him as a cheat/abuser. Yet appear to worship Burke. Do you truly believe Burke is a better horseman than Ake? Have you seen either train horses?

I really cannot wrap my head around your perception, if so.

What you can't wrap you head around he wants to wrap his mouth around, Burke's big cock!

Kenny is a simple weak man trying to act smart and complex, no need to look past the obvious.   

[Kenny]

What you can't wrap you head around he wants to wrap his mouth around, Burke's big cock!

Kenny is a simple weak man trying to act smart and complex, no need to look past the obvious. 

Look at your post. It is autobiographical! You must have a very small _____!

[Trigger]

Look at your post. It is autobiographical! You must have a very small _____!

 

You're thinking about my joint - yikes!? 

[Kenny]

Kenny, I ask this genuinely: you post cartoons of Ake and seem to paint him as a cheat/abuser. Yet appear to worship Burke. Do you truly believe Burke is a better horseman than Ake? Have you seen either train horses?

I really cannot wrap my head around your perception, if so.

I have said many times Burke's winning percentages is lower than many of the top trainers.  Each year when i calculate it, he ranks about tenth. What Burke is better than all of them is the business of harness racing. No one else can run an operation of that size and have the right horses in the right classes is tracks in many different states.

Also from a fan perspective, Burke does not cry about heat racing, he tends to keep his top horses racing longer, and also does things like taking his top stars when they are approaching retirement and racing them at many different tracks so the fans can see them. Think Foiled Again and Atlanta. That is good for the sport.

Ake was accused of horse abuse. I saw one article where he admitted it.

[Kenny]

You're thinking about my joint - yikes!? 

It is a proven fact that people who speak like you are covering up for some inadequacy.  You are the one who knows how "big" Burke is! Do you drive a big truck or maybe a sports car or motorcycle? Do you tailgate and weave in and out of traffic?

[Trigger]

It is a proven fact that people who speak like you are covering up for some inadequacy.  You are the one who knows how "big" Burke is! Do you drive a big truck or maybe a sports car or motorcycle? Do you tailgate and weave in and out of traffic?

You have an answer for everything, you didn't know the difference in this thread between slander and libel...your profile suggests that this forum is your therapy to be the big, bad smart wolf. 

You're a fucking half smart sheep.

What car do I drive?, lol, how I drive it?, you're fucking nuts dude, and not even in the ballpark - it is a 24' though!   

[SDST2009]

Also from a fan perspective, Burke does not cry about heat racing, he tends to keep his top horses racing longer, and also does things like taking his top stars when they are approaching retirement and racing them at many different tracks so the fans can see them. Think Foiled Again and Atlanta. That is good for the sport.

Ake was accused of horse abuse. I saw one article where he admitted it.

As a fan, horse owner and horse lover, I also love to see the greats of our sport continue to perform and it is great that tracks got to host these great horses. When Foiled Again made an appearance at the Dan Patch Awards, I absolutely loved it. I was thrilled for the mare that won on Hambo day; she is a hard-knocking, hard-trying mare and deserved a win. But, for me, this doesn't outweigh the other things I have seen with my own eyes (and heard, but as a lot is secondhand I will not portray them as fact).

I have seen time and time again visibly lame horses on the track from their stable. I've seen a number of them break down, some catastrophically. I understand this happens even under the best, most meticulous care, and I get by sheer numbers you likely would see more from his stable, but having seen now generations of this family train, I just will never be convinced they have the horses' best interest at heart. It is a churn and burn operation with a ton of funds behind it. So, if you destroy your open pacer at whatever track, no problem: either ship another roster member over to fill the gap, or buy another.

I can agree with you he does the business part incredibly well. I will never agree he is good for the sport, nor the horses themselves. I wouldn't even mention him in the same category as Ake and others.

I am aware of Ake's incident in Sweden. Probably not a popular opinion, but frankly a single incident of electric prod that, if I recall correctly, he did admit and said he didn't continue with it because it didn't work, is not worse than the incessant whip-slash training and lame-racing I have seen for decades with their outfit.

[seen2much]

That is well said SDST2009.The ones that come on here & act tough are 1) cheaters or 2) benefiting from the cheats. Making money hurting horses is not something to brag about.
I love all animals & hate to see any harmed.
That is my opinion on the subject.

[SDST2009]

That is well said SDST2009.The ones that come on here & act tough are 1) cheaters or 2) benefiting from the cheats. Making money hurting horses is not something to brag about.
I love all animals & hate to see any harmed.
That is my opinion on the subject.