mohawk new post time

[whiptherabbit]

Nothing cynical pylon, just the truth. I don’t think the overwhelming majority of gamblers realize (most wouldn’t care either as a groom chose to do that work) what a typical race day looks like for a groom , especially one in a decent sized barn. You’re at the barn well before 7am, no matter the weather. Take care of the horses you’re assigned to daily, muck the stalls, get the gear on, bath horses, wash equipment, put them away.

If you got one to paddock on race night , you truck to the track with the horses, unload (majority are on lasix so you’re there 4.5 hours before that one races. Depending on who you work for you’re often times looking at trucking an hour to the track, there 4.5 hours early for lasix, grab a bite to eat , get one ready, etc etc etc more work when the race is over, water him, cool him out, clean the gear , eventually load up the trailer, an hour drive to the farm, unload….Get home for a brief nap & back to the barn early the next morning.

Let’s be honest, there’s a reason lots turn to the bottle or dabble in drugs, it’s not an easy way to make a living. Not to mention these long ass paddock excursions don’t exactly line your wallet with cash, especially combining the vast amount of hours you put it in, buying your food etc. that’s why you have to live horses to do it for a living!

[firhill]

    I wish they would have a clock that counted down that ended wagering instead of the traditional way. It looks so suspicious when a 4-1, while the gate is rolling,  to end up 3/5 at the quarter and win.  THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ruin racing new comers.  Then you have to fight off conspiracy theories of open windows , ETC. they should try that BUT from what I understand the signal at an OTB could be off by many seconds so until that is fixed it will never happen.

Get rid of the fair start rule but keep the fair start pole and rename it the no more bets pole

[darnoldrocks]

"Perfect snapshot here as to how gamblers are viewed by the entire industry."

I'd like to believe I'm not an idiot, so I understand I wouldn't be racing horses without there being gamblers.   It just seems to me that moving up the start was going to have more of a positive result for horse handlers, than it was going to be negative for gamblers.
I'm not a gambler, so I'm open to someone explaining how that early start fucks up your days planning and process!!

[Papillon]

    I wish they would have a clock that counted down that ended wagering instead of the traditional way. It looks so suspicious when a 4-1, while the gate is rolling,  to end up 3/5 at the quarter and win.  THAT WILL EVENTUALLY ruin racing new comers.  Then you have to fight off conspiracy theories of open windows , ETC. they should try that BUT from what I understand the signal at an OTB could be off by many seconds so until that is fixed it will never happen.

--it already has....you are over a decade late-

[gh2009]

--it already has....you are over a decade late-

The problem is the countdown clock usually doesn't start until 5 minutes past post time.

[Papillon]

the problem is they are allowed to bet after the race starts

[gh2009]

the problem is they are allowed to bet after the race starts

Some of that money comes from OTB's who send in their money all at the end instead of every few minutes leading up to off time. It looks suspicious when the odds change so much after the race is off.

[Papillon]

Some of that money comes from OTB's who send in their money all at the end instead of every few minutes leading up to off time. It looks suspicious when the odds change so much after the race is off.

suspicious?

its fact--they send bets in well after the gate leaves

watch Mohawk for the most obvious example--every gate blaster gets pounded every laggard odds go up

Any1Left and a few others here understand

most are in denial

I was once in denial until a former friend opened my eyes

[gh2009]

I follow the Delaware circuit alot and it happens alot at Harrington when a horse leaves from an outside post. At the old Brandywine Raceway in Delaware, their machines didn't completely lock until an average of 8 seconds after the start, so we'd be at the windows, watching the TV and betting horses who were leaving either to win or in exacta boxes.

[Papillon]

I follow the Delaware circuit alot and it happens alot at Harrington when a horse leaves from an outside post. At the old Brandywine Raceway in Delaware, their machines didn't completely lock until an average of 8 seconds after the start, so we'd be at the windows, watching the TV and betting horses who were leaving either to win or in exacta boxes.

I recall that window at Brandywine

Dover and Harrington leavers get crushed after the bell

I once was a lineup exacta bettor in the 80s and 90s

couldn't do it after they allowed pickpocketing in the 2000s

[Brown jug]

you guy's are right
 mohawk has very decent sized pools
 so to see a horse go from 5/2 to 9/5 at the gate to 7/5 at the first true is not reasonable
or even more extreme odd changes than the example above
and of course always seems to be on the horse busting to the lead and winning

[Brown jug]

no shockingly they start 40 minutes earlier now at 6.30 and they finish about 5 minutes earlier ...LOL!!
yeah that really helps the grooms etc

[Brown jug]

excellent work
scheduled first post at 6.30
race 11 finishes at 11.10
everyone get home early now
joke

[pylon]

no shockingly they start 40 minutes earlier now at 6.30 and they finish about 5 minutes earlier ...LOL!!
yeah that really helps the grooms etc

While i share your frustrations,,,in fairness the 1st race used to get off at 7.20..and this time its 6.40........20 minutes

[mwins]

First race went at 6:44 last night.
Place is a joke.
If you were 2 minutes late for lasix you would have been scratched.